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[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probability does not work in Evolution' favor

Quite the contrary actually

You lying fucking fraud

That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is Christian apologetics at its finest.
"Evolution has holes" omitting the fact that more and more goes are filled with each new discovery across various fields.
"Faith also has holes" omitting the fact that the more we learn about the universe, the more holes are found in faith based ideologies across the board.

Makes claim. Doesn't have anything to support claim.

[paulgiamatti]

[QUOTE=paulgiamatti;1624002]just that it's not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

*just that ruling it out is not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up?

Lmao, look at my above post. All you do is claim with no "extraordinary evidence".

[G13]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence to back it up?

Which claim?

That probability doesn't favor evolution or that you're a lying fucking fraud?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lmao, look at my above post. All you do is claim with no "extraordinary evidence".

What extraordinary claims? The ones backed up by 170 years of peer-reviewed scientific research?

[Toofliss]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ruling that out as impossible is jumping to a conclusion without sufficient evidence. I'm not saying it's true by pointing this out to you, just that it's not intellectually honest or a sound and rational conclusion to reach.

Just because you believe something to be true in your mind doesn't mean it's true in reality. Something is either true or it isn't, regardless of how much you want to believe it to be.

There is no definitive answer. You look through a lens and apply your thoughts and you come up with (shit, I dont even know what exactly you claim to believe).

On the other hand, I look at the world around me and the facts available to me, apply my thoughts and I come up with a different opinion. I can provide steps on how I got here and why it's not completely absurd. Somehow though, I'm immoral in my thoughts because I came up with a different answer.

I swore I wouldn't stick around for this stuff. I honestly don't care if you change your mind. I just don't think it's asinine or immoral to reach my conclusion.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Toofliss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure why I came back to read countless more pages of shit slinging. At the end of the day there are some people who remain open minded and others who have closed down to opposing thoughts.

I stated many pages back that I've spent many years as someone who was confident there was no God. My schooling (college included) led me to an arrogance that we as a species were just that fucking good that we could figure it all out (or even worse, we had it figured out). Since that time I went through some serious searching, doubting, and looking at things for myself.

While the die hard posters here likely won't be convinced one way or another, I'd simply ask the others that you give my view a bit of a look. Take some time to be quiet. Look with an open mind and a desire to understand everything that happens all around us. From the smallest functions of life to the biggest feats of the universe. Take time to digest everything that is taking place.

Can you honestly still say all of the rules, all of the amazing things that operate in harmony, and the wonderful interconnection between all of this that makes our world possible is all just coincidence? The incredible details with such small tolerances for error just happen to be exactly what they needed to be?

If you're able to make that decision, then I see no other word to describe your view than faith. When I look at the exact same amazing coincidences, it all points to an overwhelming abundance of evidence. It wasn't until I was truly willing to challenge what I had been taught the first few decades of my life that I started to see things differently.

Maybe you'll see things in a different light, maybe you won't. I felt I owed it to myself to explore all options, even if they seemed improbable (hell, impossible when I started). I don't post in threads like this to try and prove you guys wrong. Instead, maybe someone else is lurking and perhaps they're someone like me.

Now you may continue with the shit slinging -- if you want to contact me, private message or in game works best. I won't be back to view countless pages of attacks.

Im just curious but why haven't you found that the pursuit of knowledge and science is the best way to find the answers you are looking for?

The way you talk about it, Toofliss. You make it sound as though you think the universe is a marvelous place and that there is many things to be discovered about it.

yet you seem to reach to the church, who have offered no evidence while it insists you stop searching for the truth and simply have faith, to wait to die, to find the answers to whats out there.

I am only saying the truth that you seek cannot be found by a person who knows nothing more than whats outside of his church.

If you want the answers, I would wager the people actually going to space are the people that you should be looking to.

Exploring your inner self is as important as the universe but when claiming to have real concrete answers as to where we are from or where we are going, you can listen to people who have evidence to back their claims, or people who ask you to simply believe them.

for myself, I choose the former.

If it isn't a coincidence, maybe in a thousand years science will figure out what the answer is. Maybe not. Religion, barring the arrival of the lord and savior (or whatever the fuck it is) will never.

[G13]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What extraordinary claims? The ones backed up by 170 years of peer-reviewed scientific research?

Like Global Warming where they've been caught over and over fudging data?

Or like Piltdown Man and other Evolution Hoaxes?

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What extraordinary claims? The ones backed up by 170 years of peer-reviewed scientific research?

This post is backed up by 170 years of peer-reviewed scientific research? Dannnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!