Beware the gnome Whukes

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If he wasn't afk for 20+ seconds after it spawned he would attacked and killed it. If the wizard would have engaged while he was, then the wizard would be actively engaging in kill stealing. That is the answer.

Be ready to kill what you want. If you are at a camp with other spawns you have to kill, but you are keeping it clear of the place holder/named the camp is yours without worry of someone taking it. This is the key difference of this spawn and group/highly contested npcs. There is no place holder, so you have to be ready to kill it shortly after it spawns.
If you can't keep a area clear of the place holder/named, then you aren't able to hold the camp. The simple fact that people are abusing the invs mechanic and just solo pulling npcs needs to be addressed by the staff to consider that exploiting/bannable offense since it has been addressed it is broken and waiting for a patch to go in.

Ambros I know you're just doing your volunteer job and I respect you for it, but this is wrong. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying this situation is wrong. There is no point in beating it any further, what's done is done, but this didn't end right I think.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is honestly confusing because it basically hints that everything is FTE which conflicts with: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2653

specifically:


Now I do not know if that post was made with any authority but what it says always made sense.

This thread contradicts everything I have understood, if 30 seconds is enough time to justify losing the spawn then this server basically caters to afk lvl 60s vs active groups camping things. If you are are level ~30 mage and camping hadden, he spawns, you are 40m I would think the logical scenario would be you med to full and then take him down.

Is this just for outdoor mobs?

When I camp NG in seb on enchanter I basically kill the 3 bugs, /q to drop pet, log back in, afk at safe spot until I see bugs begin to repop. Then I wait for the krup roamer to path back, I mez it, tash it, charm it.. then I go calm the bugs and then slow pull when the pet is un-mezzed. That process can take a few mins and it sounds like someone else could basically just walk up and kill the bugs since I took longer than 2 seconds to engage them all.

Now should someone be able to afk indefinitely and kill the thing whenever they are done watching their movie? No.. but at the same time it is hard to say a definite time frame. In the example of a level 30 camping hadden it could take 1-2 mins to get enough mana. In the case of me camping NG the krup can take more than a couple of minutes to path, another min for mez to end etc.

If you are are level ~30 mage and camping hadden, he spawns, you are 40m I would think the logical scenario would be you med to full and then take him down.

First off you won't be 40 mana camping Hadden. This is the key part of when I say people try and twist everything around.

This thread contradicts everything I have understood, if 30 seconds is enough time to justify losing the spawn then this server basically caters to afk lvl 60s vs active groups camping things.

Where did I say being afk and level 60 gives you the right to the camp. If you read what I have posted, you must be active and ready to engage your single npc you don't have clear to get. How does being active ready to kill, equal being level 60 and afk?

When I camp NG in seb on enchanter I basically kill the 3 bugs, /q to drop pet, log back in, afk at safe spot until I see bugs begin to repop. Then I wait for the krup roamer to path back, I mez it, tash it, charm it.. then I go calm the bugs and then slow pull when the pet is un-mezzed. That process can take a few mins and it sounds like someone else could basically just walk up and kill the bugs since I took longer than 2 seconds to engage them all.

Once again, you answered your own question. You are actively engaged at your camp. Where is the comparison?

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off you won't be 40 mana camping Hadden. This is the key part of when I say people try and twist everything around.



Where did I say being afk and level 60 gives you the right to the camp. If you read what I have posted, you must be active and ready to engage your single npc you don't have clear to get. How does being active ready to kill, equal being level 60 and afk?




Once again, you answered your own question. You are actively engaged at your camp. Where is the comparison?

How am I twisting anything? The precedent set here is that it is FTE.

In the example of a mage, Hadden spawns, I summon my pet, I cast my self buff on myself, maybe cast pet buff? Probably down to 50m. If I am camping a mob in my level range I probably want to get full mana first.

2 mid lvl 20s are camping him to try to get lucky and make some money.. he spawns, they buff, they med, they engage.

Or shit, I am on my cleric at level 28 camping hadden, I buff myself and am sure as hell going to get full mana given how much mana my nukes use.

My second statement comes in at this point, a level 60 could be afk there and as soon as the mob spawns they nuke and loot without any need to prep.

Now with me at NG, I literally sit and wait for the krup to path - how is that more engaged than the guy who doesn't attack the spawn within 20 seconds?

The bottom line is that outdoor targets are FTE, does this apply to dungeons also?

If so, I need to go get a group together to go sit on fungi king camp because NOBODY ever does and it would be pretty damn easy to FTE a mob when the people 'camping' it are sitting afk in the tube room or timing pathers to invis pull.

I am not trying to twist anything around I just want to understand what the server rules are on this...

-edit-

read some of the other posts on this page, looks like FTE it is.

[Nirgon]

If you're "actively camping something" you need to be "actively camping it" or it's not yours.

Threw Ambrodawg a bone and saved him some wrist.

However, the rules do permit you to haunt him across Norrath and curse his name or discredit him.

[Ambrotos]

Take abstract posts and clip them together to specifically mean anything you want to kill is fair game? No. Apply the situations to what the situation is.

[Nirgon]

People idling at camps and saying it belongs to them is bull shit. I fully support the judgement in this thread.

[RevengeofGio]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People idling at camps and saying it belongs to them is bull shit. I fully support the judgement in this thread.

The question is.... is 30 seconds idling?

20 seconds?

5 seconds?

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How am I twisting anything? The precedent set here is that it is FTE.

In the example of a mage, Hadden spawns, I summon my pet, I cast my self buff on myself, maybe cast pet buff? Probably down to 50m. If I am camping a mob in my level range I probably want to get full mana first.

2 mid lvl 20s are camping him to try to get lucky and make some money.. he spawns, they buff, they med, they engage.

Or shit, I am on my cleric at level 28 camping hadden, I buff myself and am sure as hell going to get full mana given how much mana my nukes use.

My second statement comes in at this point, a level 60 could be afk there and as soon as the mob spawns they nuke and loot without any need to prep.

Now with me at NG, I literally sit and wait for the krup to path - how is that more engaged than the guy who doesn't attack the spawn within 20 seconds?

The bottom line is that outdoor targets are FTE, does this apply to dungeons also?

If so, I need to go get a group together to go sit on fungi king camp because NOBODY ever does and it would be pretty damn easy to FTE a mob when the people 'camping' it are sitting afk in the tube room or timing pathers to invis pull.

I am not trying to twist anything around I just want to understand what the server rules are on this...

Calm the hell down, kid.

He was pretty clear what the rules are, and responded to you several times when you were being a smart-ass and twisting things around.

If this honestly bothers you that much, find another server to play on.

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Calm the hell down, kid.

He was pretty clear what the rules are, and responded to you several times when you were being a smart-ass and twisting things around.

If this honestly bothers you that much, find another server to play on.

Troll more.

[Nirgon]

How about 20 seconds, 30 seconds, 2 minutes, my "best friend showed up", my "kid wanted something", I was "only gone an hour"

It spawns, you are actively camping it, you're fine.

You aren't? Well, sorry you alt tabbed back to whatever fascinating shit you were doing or left the game otherwise when it popped and you missed it.