What is BDA doing to work towards a raid agreement?

[radditsu]

Wasnt that hand part of extinuating (bouncerr) circumstances as well?

Fe has never even had the chance to shit up the server!

Fe fought the power dawgs.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hah saw the sig, you need to admit they were LONG sentences!

Also you have typed roughly 100k words on this subject. It was finally time to bust the chops of this young lawyer.

We live in the twitterverse, deal

I'll never accept making my language more dumb for the sake of the general population. :P

I'll accept elaborating things in more simple ways, but I'll not give into twitter speak.

I do not think they were long sentences. A long sentence takes up 4-5 lines of a regular sheet of paper.

As for 100k words, is that in every post I have written, or in the post you're responding to? Because I am quite certain that that wasn't in the post you responded to. Further, how certain are you that it is 100k? Did you copy and paste everything I wrote into a word document and do a word add? Just curious how you came to 100k. Lol.

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point is that not everyone in BDA or any non-hardcore guild wants to settle for the "Status Quo". Some of those members want to raid more often, and by doing so there are only a few choices. Join IB/FE/TMO. People from the "lower tier" guilds have, and will continue to leave for a more profound raid scene. This is something that has happened from the beginning of time in MMO's.

Now the more interesting thing is, people that typically leave lower tier raid guilds for guilds such as IB/TMO/FE rarely ever return to their lower tier raiding.

And if Rogean's Plan was successful, this is what would be seen. If BDA decided, as a group, that we wanted to be hardcore, and we wanted to get the vast majority of the mobs on the server (or a shot at them, rather), and we wanted VP, then we would enter the hardcore territory. However, if BDA continued to decide, as a group, that we wanted to remain more casual, earn our epics, have a fun time through cooperation or through friendly competition, we can do that. Those that don't like the decision will find a place that better suits them, and in the end, they would be happier with that choice because they are playing the game the way they want to play it. The problem is, most casuals on this server are being forced to play it the hardcore way, the way they don't want to play it, if they want to see the content they never got to. Hardcores would be equally as upset if they were forced to play casual all day.

Again, that's the beauty of Rogean's System. Each side can be themselves, and they can do it within their own sphere. People can decide "Hmm, do I want to be more hardcore, or casual? Well, my guild is more (hardcore/casual), but I don't really want to deal with that play style, as it isn't fun for me. I'll go join this other guild, or I'll see if my guild wants to switch styles". This way, everyone gets the experience they want. The cost? The hardcores get to compete over only 3 mobs a day. The benefits are endless. Hardcores can compete, casuals can casual, and both can do it without fucking with the other. People can sort themselves into the sphere of play style they want, and they can do it without feeling they are forced to take one to relive their classic experience (unless they really want VP, but that was surrendered in the plan).

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are no hardcores complaining about the new deal then? While basically every bda member is.

Those that are fine, and accepting of the deal in BDA are quiet about it, as many others in other guilds are. It is a human nature bias that those who are discontent are more loud, and that negative information sticks to the mind more than positive.

Edit to Clarify: I agree with the logic and spirit of your post, that the person you responded to is likely incorrect as we don't see pushback from hardcore guild members about the agreement. You're correct there. I am responding to the idea that basically every BDA member is complaining about this.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll never accept making my language more dumb for the sake of the general population. :P

I'll accept elaborating things in more simple ways, but I'll not give into twitter speak.

I do not think they were long sentences. A long sentence takes up 4-5 lines of a regular sheet of paper.

As for 100k words, is that in every post I have written, or in the post you're responding to? Because I am quite certain that that wasn't in the post you responded to. Further, how certain are you that it is 100k? Did you copy and paste everything I wrote into a word document and do a word add? Just curious how you came to 100k. Lol.



And if Rogean's Plan was successful, this is what would be seen. If BDA decided, as a group, that we wanted to be hardcore, and we wanted to get the vast majority of the mobs on the server (or a shot at them, rather), and we wanted VP, then we would enter the hardcore territory. However, if BDA continued to decide, as a group, that we wanted to remain more casual, earn our epics, have a fun time through cooperation or through friendly competition, we can do that. Those that don't like the decision will find a place that better suits them, and in the end, they would be happier with that choice because they are playing the game the way they want to play it. The problem is, most casuals on this server are being forced to play it the hardcore way, the way they don't want to play it, if they want to see the content they never got to. Hardcores would be equally as upset if they were forced to play casual all day.

Again, that's the beauty of Rogean's System. Each side can be themselves, and they can do it within their own sphere. People can decide "Hmm, do I want to be more hardcore, or casual? Well, my guild is more (hardcore/casual), but I don't really want to deal with that play style, as it isn't fun for me. I'll go join this other guild, or I'll see if my guild wants to switch styles". This way, everyone gets the experience they want. The cost? The hardcores get to compete over only 3 mobs a day. The benefits are endless. Hardcores can compete, casuals can casual, and both can do it without fucking with the other. People can sort themselves into the sphere of play style they want, and they can do it without feeling they are forced to take one to relive their classic experience (unless they really want VP, but that was surrendered in the plan).



Those that are fine, and accepting of the deal in BDA are quiet about it, as many others in other guilds are. It is a human nature bias that those who are discontent are more loud, and that negative information sticks to the mind more than positive.

Edit to Clarify: I agree with the logic and spirit of your post, that the person you responded to is likely incorrect as we don't see pushback from hardcore guild members about the agreement. You're correct there. I am responding to the idea that basically every BDA member is complaining about this.

Fake pixels. Dragon simulator.

[Iliilliill]

Ute your posts are insightful, very well thought out, and articulate. Please continue 100k wording, I enjoy the reads.

[Iliilliill]

forreal doe, reeding is for quears.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are no hardcores complaining about the new deal then? While basically every bda member is.

No, every BDA member really is not complaining. There's only a few that are.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, every BDA member really is not complaining. There's only a few that are.

That's true, I was a bit flippant. The few that are, are definitely quite a vocal minority.

[SeruScars]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's true, I was a bit flippant. The few that are, are definitely quite a vocal minority.

But we should definitely accuse all of BDA because that's how it works here.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's true, I was a bit flippant. The few that are, are definitely quite a vocal minority.

Sure, agreed. There's also a good portion of the t2 crowd that are just ready to take a crack at these newly available mobs and finish some epics, on the other hand. Myself included.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, that's the beauty of Rogean's System. Each side can be themselves, and they can do it within their own sphere. People can decide "Hmm, do I want to be more hardcore, or casual? Well, my guild is more (hardcore/casual), but I don't really want to deal with that play style, as it isn't fun for me. I'll go join this other guild, or I'll see if my guild wants to switch styles". This way, everyone gets the experience they want. The cost? The hardcores get to compete over only 3 mobs a day. The benefits are endless. Hardcores can compete, casuals can casual, and both can do it without fucking with the other. People can sort themselves into the sphere of play style they want, and they can do it without feeling they are forced to take one to relive their classic experience (unless they really want VP, but that was surrendered in the plan).

qft

I posted elsewhere that VP is endgame. Its "reserved" for the "hardcores" during the current expansion. And that is Classic.