Public Raid Petitions: P99 Freedom of Information Act

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Juntsie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why shuld GM devote so much time and resource to public petition process dat benefit only minute, tiny amount of players who after multiple years cannot seem to figure out how to share tings and bash together for fun? Just cuz said players have longest neck beards, desire most pixilz, and cry loudest, does not mean dat dey should be given undue consideration or expect dat staff will review petitions pursuant to lawyerquest legal procedures.

Such consideration should not be given. Burden is not equitable or gud for volunteer GMs, who stand to turn into magistrate petition review robots. It not gud for server. Forced equitable rotation may not be classic but it much lesser evil dan current silly rules, laughable disputes, and proposed burdensome petition process. If dis objectionable, justice shuld be otherwise be swift, based on simple undisputed facts, and executed in-game, classic style.

Take it up with the GMs, then. We, as the players, can only work within the confines that they present us. We have been explicitly told, many times, that full rotations and completely hands-off GMing are not options. We have only two choices. Keep the system as it is, or modify the current system to be more efficient.

It is absurd that we'd not opt to make a bad system better when it's the only one we've got.

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[JayN]

Open petitions, let the decree ring throughout the land! Let there be no more hiding of treachery or deceit, lay it all on the table for everyone to see. End the twisted shielded arguments.

[Ella`Ella]

Conversations like this just create a forum for more lawyerquesting to take place.

First of all, kill variance - that solves most problems.

Second of all, make penalties for lawyerquest. If you submit a frivolous petition or are found that it doesn't hold up, you eat a 1-week suspension.

Make it fun! You get raid 3 petitions a month - use 'em wisely.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Conversations like this just create a forum for more lawyerquesting to take place.

First of all, kill variance - that solves most problems.

Second of all, make penalties for lawyerquest. If you submit a frivolous petition or are found that it doesn't hold up, you eat a 1-week suspension.

Make it fun! You get raid 3 petitions a month - use 'em wisely.

This.

Holy shit this.

Do you know why people send in all these petitions? Cause they are salty they lost and wasted 3-6 people's time staring at a wall for 16 hours doing nothing.

You HAVE rules that prevent old-age, 2011 poopsocking. You cannot sit on, camp at or bind at spawn points. You cannot FTE with someone at a bind point. You HAVE the rules in place to prevent the poopsocking which you site as the sole reason for unclassic Variance.

If people spent 30min buffing up and camping out before a window then spent 15-min waiting to batphone the spawn, and they lose. Tough shit. Unless it's something extreme like malicious training, they won't really care much that they lost a dragon. Less than an hour of time off their back, meh. We spend more waiting on boats to get to docks.

But with the current situation, losing dragons BLOWSSSSSSSS after spending so long camped out, or worse, wall staring (tracking).

If you want leave a small amount of randomness (10min+/- is fine) so that there isn't any CotH Ducking or other nonsense.... Fine, I'll give my approval "of non-classic change on basis of 5 years Kunark" stamp.

This will reduce petitions
This will increase casual involvement in raid scene
Due to current setup it will spread out spawn times after reset due to Class R inevitably waiting to kill their mob for hours until they have sufficient force etc.

Overall the raid game becomes more enjoyable for all participants. Other than the 0 people who like staring at a wall for 16 hours.

[Tasslehofp99]

Bump, this is important.



I'd like to know why petitions were ever a private affair. Just doesn't seem to make much sense if you want the people most invested in the server to feel as if they're getting a fair shake. Also having a reference point for previous raid disputes to serve as precedent would be great. This way rules aren't just made up on the fly or changed randomly, which has happened numerous times in the past few years.

[Ravager]

Juntsie should have a green name.

[dustysr06]

further affirmation that blue does indeed...... S U C K

[dustysr06]

double posting, because thats how completely ridiculous this OP is (didnt read thread)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by dustysr06 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

double posting, because thats how completely ridiculous this OP is (didnt read thread)

The only thing that's ridiculous is people like you jumping on the TLDR bandwagon and popping their mouths off when they didn't even bother to understand the issue.

I'll break it down for you: No rules is a shitfest of KSing, training, and exploiting, so we made a few rules. Some of those rules are kind of bad, so we change them to be better.

It's not that hard.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No rules is a shitfest of KSing, training, and exploiting, so we made a few rules.

And if people followed the Junstie philosophy of "its 20 years old", this would not happen. But the #1 guild has always pushed the envelope (probably always pushed there by the #2 guild), regardless of server era. Instead of pushing an arms race and lawyerquest, the top guilds should push disarmament. See the VD "open Trak raid slot" (excluding then-C guilds) and the BDA "will not engage every other raid spawn" for examples on disarmament, without being forced to by whole-server suspension for three weeks+.