Circle kiting needs to be nerfed

[Feathers]

So you swarm kite a Bard to 60 in two days, then what? I think most people swarm kite just to see the xp bar fly, not because they need a 60 bard.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by Feathers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you swarm kite a Bard to 60 in two days, then what? I think most people swarm kite just to see the xp bar fly, not because they need a 60 bard.

99% of them don't get to 60. They stop leveling when OT goes green con, and then reroll when they realize they don't even enjoy Bards.

Go to EC on any given evening and you'll see one or two naked level-50-something Bards selling all their gear.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Feathers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you swarm kite a Bard to 60 in two days, then what? I think most people swarm kite just to see the xp bar fly, not because they need a 60 bard.

In fairness grouping on a bard in a dungeon can be pretty lame. Especially when the group doesn't want you to pull or CC.

Regen/Mana song
Haste song
DS song
Slow/Snare song
anddd repeat
for 6 hour grind group
to get 10% of a level

Or swarm kite Burning Woods and get a full level or two in that time.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fairness grouping on a bard in a dungeon can be pretty lame. Especially when the group doesn't want you to pull or CC.

Regen/Mana song
Haste song
DS song
Slow/Snare song
anddd repeat
for 6 hour grind group
to get 10% of a level

Or swarm kite Burning Woods and get a full level or two in that time.

That's why you gotta show that you're better at pulling than the monks you're with.

[Bristlebard]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fairness grouping on a bard in a dungeon can be pretty lame. Especially when the group doesn't want you to pull or CC.

Regen/Mana song
Haste song
DS song
Slow/Snare song
anddd repeat
for 6 hour grind group
to get 10% of a level

Or swarm kite Burning Woods and get a full level or two in that time.

I had intentions of playing my bard in groups to level, but then looking at bard songs it seemed like I hardly had any of the tools groups want from a bard until almost 30, which is the point bards enter the golden levels for AEing. And since I don't buy into the "the game is over one you're done leveling" crap, the 50s will take a long time for a bard whether AEing or grouping, and I want to get to get to a point I'll be able to visit the planes and feel pretty "complete" as a class quickly... AE it is!

23+ has sucked (relatively speaking) IMO. SK is busy and huge and has a number of unkiteable mobs. OT is too low or too high. LOIO seemed like an option but meh. And killing red con's in FV has been a fairly harrowing experience. I'm excited to be at a point I think I can do drolvargs for a few levels now though until hitting OT to 46+ now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even in OT though. Bards aren't ever pulling rhinos or caster sarnaks, they rarely pull tigers or other sarnaks. That laces quite a few mobs for the fearkiters and couple groups in zone it seems.

[Jontheripper]

How about we remove the pet xp nerf, i think its bullshit mages have to kill their pet every mob just to get full xp. You cant tell me its because they'll level up too quickly when bards are killing 100 mobs at a time.

[luno]

I AE kited to 43 without much incident. I've also done a fair amount of grouping too, and maxed out all my weapon skills. Starting to get burnt out on the game though, as I only have one other friend to play with.

Generally, I've made the offer to non-kiters that they can just camp next to where I'm pulling and take mobs off me as they need them. If they're really upset for whatever reason, I'll offer to group with them for a pull or two, which makes everyone happy.

At least, in my experience the problems people like to complain about on these threads are generally caused by neckbeard power levelers, who monopolize as many mobs as possible. They generally get real defensive if you ask them to share because they're trying to maintain their reputation among their group of neckbeard alt customers.

People complain about easy mode on modern MMO's, then they turn around and do shit like RMT and hire dudes to power level them. What everyone really wants is to be better than their peers. The whole enterprise more about ego than fun.

Anyways, I don't think power levelers should be banned. Even though some annoy the shit out of me, I happen to think player created services like dial-a-port or power leveling are a great example of emergent game play in EQ.

[golten]

my issue comes when there are 5 mobs in a camp... say the HGs in rathe mountains, and 3 people camping them, then a bard runs in and starts steeling mobs and quad kiting everything. poor unsow'd melee cant keep up. i just watch him out run me to spawns.

[zanderklocke]

^ Bard quad kiting hill giants? Is this a thing?

[firesyde424]

Understand, before you read my wall of text, assuming you read it, is that for me, the day swarm kiting was nerfed, was the 2nd worst day in EQ for me. The day they nerfed AoE spells and songs so that the mobs had to be standing still for them to be affected, was the worst day in EQ for me. I think that Sony didn't really know how to balance bards.

Swarm kiting is a lot of fun but it can get monotonous at times. Something like the the final PoAir fight. Kiting the adds can be thrilling at first until you realize that you are only kiting the adds so some pervy gnome in plate armor can look at Xegony's boobs for a half hour.


The problem is that bards were never well accepted in groups. Being a jack of all trades is both a blessing and a curse. You can fill in for most roles, but if one of the classes who specialize in that role are available, most group leaders don't see the point in inviting a bard.

Top that off with an absolute mess of people who started playing bards because they could swarm kite but never took the time to learn the nuance of the class. Most of you probably have seen or grouped with someone like this. They know how to twist... maybe, they know that clerics like mana song, and they know that bards can hit things with "swords n stuff." As a result, bards don't have the most pristine of reputations.

Whatever the reason, bards usually have a hard time getting groups. So, we have to make up the difference ourselves. Does that mean bards should monopolize an entire zone? No, but I think it's blatant hypocrisy to cry nerf over that when other classes can effectively monopolize just as easily, if not on quite the same scale.

Unless I miss my guess, monopolizing entire areas like that is covered under the "play nice" rules. May I suggest prosecuting this under that pretense rather than crying nerf.