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[Eslade]

Nirgon, you have at least double the numbers. why not have your best pvp'ers play defense while you're bluebies down the mob?

0 sympathy.

[Nirgon]

Wipe tank -> raid mobs kills DPS very quickly -> move on to killing healers / camp your own cleric

This has happened to us (notably VS) and we've done attacks like this (against God's Work VS).

There's classic raid rules to deal with stuff like this. If Sirken is creating the raid discussion section for red we can get into this. Upcoming bullshit things like stalling engages based on pvp waiting in zone which create 5+ hour stalemates can be resolved with just one more little classic addition to the PNP.

Given you guys seem to like the classic raid rules being enforced (as do I), just one last thing needs to be added and we're gravy here for a very healthy raid pvp scene.

[Eslade]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wah,I want uncontested dragons.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wipe tank -> raid mobs kills DPS very quickly -> move on to killing healers / camp your own cleric

This has happened to us (notably VS) and we've done attacks like this (against God's Work VS).

There's classic raid rules to deal with stuff like this. If Sirken is creating the raid discussion section for red we can get into this. Upcoming bullshit things like stalling engages based on pvp waiting in zone which create 5+ hour stalemates can be resolved with just one more little classic addition to the PNP.

Given you guys seem to like the classic raid rules being enforced (as do I), just one last thing needs to be added and we're gravy here for a very healthy raid pvp scene.

don't engage raid mob until pvp threat is wiped or that's what you deal with, it's not rocket science. with 60+ those mobs should die in 30 seconds or less or you are doing something very wrong. this isn't velious.

[Eslade]

velious is going to be hilarious when they figure out that you need competent players to raid. all it's going to take is for one of your zerg to fuck up an entire 2 hour set up.

[Kergan]

Azrael is not full of competent players hate to break it to you.

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Azrael is not full of competent players hate to break it to you.

which guild has a higher proportion of competent player? You don't have to answer this is a rhetorical question.

[Kergan]

You realize you can't kill anything in Velious with 18 people right?

[Nirgon]

I don't want uncontested anything

Just give the raid mob a lot more credit in your braggings

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize you can't kill anything in Velious with 18 people right?

yes you can. obviously you haven't played velious.

can you kill any of the big time mobs? No.