Shaman race debate

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using canni 3 (and assuming the 100 to 47 value on wiki is accurate), at 59 a standing ogre gets ~34 mana per minute while a standing troll gets ~67 mana per minute. If you're missing a lot of med ticks because you're scrambling to keep everything rooted/dotted or you're busy positioning, this is a ridiculous difference. It's a 47 mana per minute difference if you're hitting every med tick.

I'm trying to follow your logic, but having trouble.

Fights don't normally last that long, so can we say a minute is a reasonable average length? If so we're talking about regen Shaman having 47 more mana a fight than a non-regen Shaman. That's about 1/5 of an ice strike, or about 120 direct damage. Maybe a bit more if you use a DoT instead.

Now if we consider fighting a Seafury Cyclops (a green to a 59 shaman), they have 4700 HP. So the difference between a regen shaman and a non-regen shaman is ... 1/40th of a (green) mob's hit points. Perhaps 1/30th if you use a DoT instead (too lazy to calculate).

I just don't see a very convincing argument there: an extra 1/30th of a green mob's HP per fight isn't a very strong reason to pick a race. But to be fair, I'd expect a similar calculation of frontal stun immunity's benefits to be just as unimpressive.

Seems to me the real moral of this story is that neither racial benefit really matters that much, at level 59 at least.

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using canni 3 (and assuming the 100 to 47 value on wiki is accurate), at 59 a standing ogre gets ~34 mana per minute while a standing troll gets ~67 mana per minute. If you're missing a lot of med ticks because you're scrambling to keep everything rooted/dotted or you're busy positioning, this is a ridiculous difference. It's a 47 mana per minute difference if you're hitting every med tick.

You're missing the point. Even if, by some miracle, you're not getting hit by anything while you break this tough camp, you're still only getting enough mana for one more slow every 5-6 minutes.

However, it is much more likely you're getting bashed and eating several extra rounds of melee while trying to get off a root or slow, negating the regen bonus entirely and actually ending up with less hp than if you had been an ogre.

Yes, we all know shamans are 'op' and any race will be good at this sort of stuff, but all other things equal, an ogre has a clear advantage at doing tougher stuff. If you're choosing a shaman race and don't care about min/maxing, pick whichever one you prefer the models for. If you are min/maxing, pick ogre.

[citizen1080]

Ogre for solo, iksar for raiding, trolls for blind people (so ugly)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre for solo, iksar for raiding, trolls for blind people (so ugly)

And Barbarian for pragmatic people who don't have the luxury of being able to play EQ all day (and thus don't have time to waste on racial XP penalties or on factioning).

And people who like polar bear hats.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And Barbarian for pragmatic people who don't have the luxury of being able to play EQ all day (and thus don't have time to waste on racial XP penalties or on factioning).

And people who like polar bear hats.

^

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ogre for solo, iksar for raiding, trolls for blind people (so ugly)

Thank you. A person that knows. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Stun resist DOES matter solo whether you like it or not in Velious when fights last 4 to 5 minutes not 35 seconds like now. duh. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Ezalor]

vanity is the only thing that should matter in picking your race

polar bear hats are cool but overall i think barbs are the #2 worst looking shaman besides iksars

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

vanity is the only thing that should matter in picking your race

polar bear hats are cool but overall i think barbs are the #2 worst looking shaman besides iksars

dude my barb shaman looks like Van Helsing... hes the mo fookn bawse

only one hyphenated word required to win the fashion argument...

eye-patch

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I challange you to show me a shaman that looks more fuckn vampire slayer than that.

ps thats not a feather hanging from my spear, thats a vampire scalp.

[Ezalor]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude my barb shaman looks like Van Helsing... hes the mo fookn bawse

only one hyphenated word required to win the fashion argument...

eye-patch

i'm biased as i mained a barb shaman on live and am sick of looking at them

they're still not nearly as boring as iksar shamans though

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Ezalor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i'm biased as i mained a barb shaman on live and am sick of looking at them

they're still not nearly as boring as iksar shamans though

im hellof jellous every time I see a troll in full plate...

troll w/ de mask is a tough call from ogre with de mask.. I think i would want Ogre with De mask if i was going to have the ultimate shaman, just so you could always dangle the 'i have frontal stun' & 'i can walk through doors' & I look absolutely the most awesome as a DE.. DE shaman is unarguably the coolest looking shaman.

But damn, Trolls come pretty close! the only downside to troll is you have to wear full plate, or you look like a homeless man... which is ironically how a Ogre looks with or without full plate or full BIS gear.