extremist muslims get lit up in texas

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by armyveteran248 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find it odd that the American Freedom Defense Initiative is labeled an "anti-muslim hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

The AFDI is led by Pamela Geller - a known racist. They have another name more appropriate for their cause: Stop Islamization of America. I wonder how many news outlets are using that name.

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Samoht, your entire argument is offensive to me and could cause freedom loving Americans to engage in acts of violence. If you truly believe in the crap you espouse, then you'd agree that the only right thing is for you to stop posting. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.

If you want to talk about freedom, try doing it in places that actually need freedom. Go to China. Go to Russia. Hell, even the UK and Australia need help because of their heavy-handed censorship. This group was not trying to spread freedom in the USA. People in the USA are already free. They are trying to spread hate speech in the USA. They are trying to spread xenophobia and racism. We do not need those things in the modern world.

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most people can't even get a visa to work there but these guys are ok?

Trust me, we don't want people on work visas in America. And it's not because they're foreigners; it's because American corporations use them as cheap, virtually slave-like labor. The middle class is disappearing because they value their bottom line over having future customers. They steal all the resources for themselves and leave none for tomorrow, but that's a different argument.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who is this Samoht guy?

Either he is a moderately skilled troll or someone with "special needs". Either way, he seems incapable of understanding how America works.

I think you are giving way too much credit. You are a true gentlemen. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by armyveteran248 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He just doesn't want to see civilians die with the blood on Pamela Geller's hands.

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[Orruar]

60 years ago, speaking out in favor of negro rights often led to violence. In Samoht's world, we would have made speaking in favor of equality a crime since those doing so clearly were provoking helpless bigots into committing violence.

[Samoht]

The two issues don't parallel. You're just introducing confusion by obfuscation.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

60 years ago, speaking out in favor of negro rights often led to violence. In Samoht's world, we would have made speaking in favor of equality a crime since those doing so clearly were provoking helpless bigots into committing violence.

Did you mean to compare it to the people who protested against integration? That seems like it would be more appropriate.

[dafier]

Originally Posted by armyveteran248 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He knows how to argue and get people off topic and off point. He's not stupid, just wrong about things politically.

I agree that he 'gets people off topic', but disagree that 'He's not stupid' & 'knows how to argue'. Well...no, I am incorrect. He does know how to argue, like a 3 year old.

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[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People in the USA are already free.

If you say so. There are many disenfranchised groups who would say otherwise. Freedom from oppressive groups, whether they be militants or bureaucrats, isn't something that's won and done. To say we don't need to be vigilant about protecting everyone's rights, even the rights of the hatemongers, is as ignorant as the hatemonger's bigoted messages. Just as it's their right voice their idiotic opinions, it's your right to counter their idiotic opinions with rational argument, or just ignore them. You can't be selective about whose rights you protect. That's the first step away from freedom.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is advocating against free speech. Nobody is advocating for Muslim rights. To continue bringing them up is a weak straw man that does not address the issue that an anti-Muslim hate group has successfully lured Muslim extremists to violently assault them so that police officers working with the group could kill them in justifiable homicide. I have no problem with the way this played out, but what we do not need is people trying to copy these results. Please do not not innocent civilians as bait against terrorists. We do not need bystanders killed if there's another attack at future hate rallies.

Women here have the right to vote, the right to an education, to drive, to dress as they please. Maybe we should take away those rights since they might provoke an attack.