TMO - A New Era

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Samaritan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just chatted with Quala and Zereh since I've been back on. Good times =)

Very cool if you don't mind me asking when were they on last? I have been trying to catch up with Quala since coming back in March and haven't seen him on.

[Uggme]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would a reasonable person assume that considering the constant overturn of bans and the constant overturn of gm's (for reasons unmentionable).

Ahh but see that's my point, those people provided additional evidence to prove thier innocence, and then were unbanned. That's exactly my point. If he's innocent, he should prove it. But why did it take so long to come forward with this incredible evidence? Why now? These are things the at l staff in sure are going to consider.

Zeelot, likely being one of the richest in game characters on the server was deemed guilty of RMT activities. If his account is unbanned the staff is risking resurgence of Massive RMT activities if they reverse their decision with due consideration.

And just like a lot of other high profile cases IRL, they also find themselves in the public eye, especially if the case have an impact on a lot of people. This one certainly would impact everyone on the server if the ban was reversed, seeing as how negative TMO's effect on the end gambeing.

In short, he should prove it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Uggme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is a known fact that the accounts were banned for RMT activities, Verified by screenshots that were posted by Zeelot himself in this very forum (r&f).

A reasonable person would assume the punishments from staff were enacted with an adequate and justified level of certainty that RMT activities had taken place. Thus, why the account(s) were banned.

Not a fan of Zeelot, but...

A knowledgeable person would be aware that P99 staff have been known to ban for suspicious transactions and later reverse the ban when evidence was produced that showed the transaction(s) as legit. If Zeelot has provided staff with sufficient evidence I'm sure his ban will be reversed also.

[Prismaticshop]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guild bank is still 100% intact unless Derubael did something with it.

My character will be unbanned and so will Darkdeath's, as soon as the staff gather confidence to face the past mistakes.

Thanks for answering.

The second question was : you disbanded the guild you were leading without anyone's consent. What do you tell to people who are afraid you might pull this move a second time would you be in a leading position again?

[Uggme]

God I hate posting from my phone.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Uggme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ahh but see that's my point, those people provided additional evidence to prove thier innocence, and then were unbanned. That's exactly my point. If he's innocent, he should prove it. But why did it take so long to come forward with this incredible evidence? Why now? These are things the at l staff in sure are going to consider.

See I stopped reading here. Why would you need to prove innocence. The onus of proof should be on the prosecution. You need to prove someone did something... not the other way around. Or I could just say... Uggme is committing RMT. You could get banned ... now prove you didn't do it?

[BulletCatcher]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See I stopped reading here. Why would you need to prove innocence. The onus of proof should be on the prosecution. You need to prove someone did something... not the other way around. Or I could just say... Uggme is committing RMT. You could get banned ... now prove you didn't do it?

LOL. those words you are using... I don't think they mean what you think they mean (in the context of P99).

The "onus" (or duty for us none learn-ed folk) of proof... LOL this is P99 my dawg, a privately ran server. not a fuckin American courtroom. You don't wanna have to deal with proving innocence? don't do shady shit. I don't do shay shit, and i'm not unjustly banned as if by accident.

The proof used to ban RMTers by staff is prob more than little whines and moans from players with nothing more than a /petition. Im sure they look into things more deeply then you or I know. But hey, they owe you an explanation right? Did you submit your appeal? I should have the freedom to dual box here. IM BEING OPRESSED... TRIGGER WARNINGS!!!! IM BEING RAPED!!!!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by BulletCatcher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL. those words you are using... I don't think they mean what you think they mean (in the context of P99).

The "onus" (or duty for us none learn-ed folk) of proof... LOL this is P99 my dawg, a privately ran server. not a fuckin American courtroom. You don't wanna have to deal with proving innocence? don't do shady shit. I don't do shay shit, and i'm not unjustly banned as if by accident.

Is paying platinum for an item shady shit? You are right there is no responsibility that the staff has to provide a fair system here, other than their stated purpose. If someone takes on the responsibility (as stated) of having a fair system do they have to live up to that? Seems like onus.

[BulletCatcher]

it would very easy to determine if an account paid plat for an item or not. Look at server logs. just takes some time. And you know the answer to that question. It is also the onus of the players to abide by the stated rules. Otherwise DayBreak may come here and fuck shit up if there is real $$$ flying around wihtout dev intervention. IP rights and all. So I say swing that fucking RMT ban hammer wide and fast. Let the recipients of said hammering argue their own innocence. like i said, people not doing shady shit wont get hit with the hammer. People know when they are being shady. "He dindn do nuffins.....!!" right? ppfftt yea right.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will publicly post the irrefutable evidence of bogus accusations if I am not unbanned and do not hear back by this weekend. I've only shared the screens with with staff so far, but they like to ignore reality it seems.

If they aren't going to reverse things even with screenshot evidence that shows their accusations are bogus, then it only looks bad on them.

Maybe they just don't like you?

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not a fan of Zeelot, but...

A knowledgeable person would be aware that P99 staff have been known to ban for suspicious transactions and later reverse the ban when evidence was produced that showed the transaction(s) as legit. If Zeelot has provided staff with sufficient evidence I'm sure his ban will be reversed also.

I'm sure having a TMO-sponsored stream for like a full year advertising a TMO-sponsored energy drink has nothing to do with it.

lol