All of you: Please vote for Donald Trump

[Lune]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The public has as much a right to tell corporations how to allocate their resources as corporations have to tell the government how to allocate theirs. Ideally, when corporations are being inimical, people wouldn't work for them or patronize them, but it doesn't really work like that, the invisible hand is a fallacy, etc

I said the exact opposite of that. Learn to fucking read and understand innuendo.

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

How far have France and Britain fallen exactly? They still perform better than the US does, again, in nearly every metric for general well-being except aggregate wealth (which in the US is concentrated at the top).

Japan, Australia, Canada, and Germany don't have small populations. How do you account for their success?

What do we have? A bloated military that we use to brutalize brown people, and protect the world from a country that can just barely afford to wage a war against Ukraine and has a GDP smaller than California?

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They have a strong economy because of the euro, which has absolutely decimated wages and economies in the south of Europe. Have you heard of Greece? Their pensions are paying for the Germany economy.

Their pensions are paying for the German economy? What a curious statement. You solely blame the Euro for the languid southern European economies? It's as simple as that? Not deep-seated cultural issues and an inability to adapt to a changing economic climate? The German economy is successful because of good institutions, good leadership, a favorable culture, a healthy political system, productive workforce, and many many other variables.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Their pensions are paying for the German economy? What a curious statement. You solely blame the Euro for the languid southern European economies? It's as simple as that? Not deep-seated cultural issues and an inability to adapt to a changing economic climate? The German economy is successful because of good institutions, good leadership, a favorable culture, a healthy political system, productive workforce, and many many other variables.

The euro was a bad idea, and it was pushed by Germany and the other Northern European nations. Those Southern European nations weren't competitive back then, and tying them to the same currency was essentially a tariff on their goods. Who in Europe would buy a Greek product when they cost the same amount as a German one? Look at Germany's trade surpluses. They are taking advantage of people.

Also, if you're blaming this on the culture of Southern Europe, it's very easy to make the same argument that people in the US have the same problem. I hear all the time that it's "the lack of a two parent family" or a "culture of entitlement" that keep people in poverty here. Which is it, a state issue, or an issue of culture? If it's a state issue, then it's clear that the people who designed the Euro were either corrupt of incompetent. If it's a cultural problem, I'll be sure to remember that the next time I hear someone in this country complain. I seem to remember a man saying something to the effect of 47% of Americans don't want to work. Are you saying that the south of Europe has a cultural issue which makes them uncompetitive?? Sounds awfully republican

[Charlievox]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

new cars, flat screen TVs, HVAC, at least one new generation gaming console, and many other modern luxuries.

Is it even possible to buy a TV that isn't a flat screen these days?
HVAC is pretty much a standard construction feature these days, you can hardly rent an apartment without it.
Any kid with a part time job at McD's can afford a XBOX.

These are hardly luxury items.

And people may not be dying in the streete, but I have at least three friends who would be dead today were it not for Obamacare.

So don't hand me that bullshit about how good the poor have it in this country. Poor is poor by the standards of the country you live in not some third world crap hole.

Get out of the city and take a good look at the way some people live out in the sticks where there are NO jobs! There is a vast difference between urban ans rural poor.

The real mystery is why so many of the poor in the South keep voting the very politicians who are keeping them that way.

But I suppose, if you stand up waving a flag (American or Confederate) and holding a Bible and keep telling folks how that baby killing Black man in the White House is letting all those Mexicans come in here to take your jobs and that he's comming after your guns... Well...

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lol at an xbox being a luxury. It's all about relativity

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Charlievox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I suppose, if you stand up waving a flag (American or Confederate) and holding a Bible and keep telling folks how that baby killing Black man in the White House is letting all those Mexicans come in here to take your jobs and that he's comming after your guns... Well...

Yep. It's white southern voters. It has nothing to do with Bill Clinton signing NAFTA or Obama signing TPP. It has nothing to do with the fact that Hillary Clinton's #1 supporter is Citigroup. And it definitely couldn't be true that the republicans and the democrats are using identity politics to create differential coalitions to continue getting elected, while they, in reality, are following the same script given to them by the corporations and banks that fund our elections.

Since apparently you guys missed it, Hillary's contributors:
https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...0000019&type=I

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by TarukShmaruk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rofl - yeah, because that system you see falling apart in Europe as we speak is going so well.

France, Greece, Spain, just look at Britain and how far they've fallen because they can barely afford to be a major military superpower anymore.

The small, homogenized nordic countries manage by having very strict immigration and small population.

Also LOL @ the "the public has a right to tell corporations how much they can pay their CEOS" - no they fucking don't you dumb hippy. Anymore than I have a right to tell you anything at all.

Jesus some of you children drink some serious koolaid. I know all these pseudo-socialist ideas sound pretty and wonderful like butterflies and maple syrup but there's a reason it fails in the end and it's because we're all human.

Ur suuuper dumb

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol at an xbox being a luxury. It's all about relativity

Video gaming which is purely entertainment is the very definition of a luxury

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Its relative. In North America, it's not.

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In 2015, your friend might live in a trailer, take the bus, live off EBT, free lunch at school, but they still have an xbox at home.

[Visual]

yall should become economists