Aftermath eating a full 10 days raid suspension

[Gimp]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because Sirken stuck by the rule during repop, Doesn't mean they won't get hammered afterward. Regardless of if they stuck to the rule for obtaining the FTE, they broke the stalling rule, they can't twist it. they can try, but every single person that reads it knows its smells like shit!

Instead of reaching so laughably hard, maybe you retards should just realize that you played lauaghbly bad on the repop and just play better next time?

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of reaching so laughably hard, maybe you retards should just realize that you played lauaghbly bad on the repop and just play better next time?

A. Nobody is reaching:

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

This was from Sirken's latest update, even a 1st grader like yourself should be able to understand this. I can hear you arguing already that the "Kael rules don't state that, the Kael Rules were about FTE and 1 attempt, which may have taken some guilds longer than others, but it did not allow for stalling.

AND B. The only People laughing is Aftermath, because they got one over on the server. But did they? we'll see by the staff's response. but here is a quote to prove the Deliberate intent of this gesture.

Originally Posted by Detoxx

Aftermath will be assuming that Spirit of Scale is the max speed and that intentionally leaving the mob up for an inordinate amount of time is unacceptable. If we get FTE, I think an hour is reasonable. If you are leaving the mob up longer than that, its safe to assume youre doing it just to break the spirit of the rule.

Considering you need 30 to kill statue, there is no reason to leave him up more than an hour. Also, whoever kills Statue, the 20 minute rule should still be in effect for AoW.

funny I notice Detoxx edited that particular quate but failed to indicate that that assumption was no longer valid, wonder why?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by VANVEM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A. Nobody is reaching:

Q12: What exactly does the Staff consider a stall?
A: As far as engage stalls, the Staff will grant you one DA, or about that much time on an engage before considering it a stall. So it’s important that guilds do not engage a mob until they are ready to kill it. The spirit of the rule (and what we are looking to do here) is to prevent guilds from locking up a target before they are ready to kill it, just to prevent other guilds that are ready to kill it first/faster. If you stall, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob. Any number of players can be considered to be stalling a mob, what we look for is the engage of the kill force. I know some of you want an exact number of seconds, or players, or DPS done, but the fact is that’s just not realistic with guilds being so vastly different in numbers and strength while also competing for the same content. The most important thing here is the statement about the spirit of this rule stated above.

This was from Sirken's latest update, even a 1st grader like yourself should be able to understand this. I can hear you arguing already that the "Kael rules don't state that, the Kael Rules were about FTE and 1 attempt, which may have taken some guilds longer than others, but it did not allow for stalling.

AND B. The only People laughing is Aftermath, because they got one over on the server. But did they? we'll see by the staff's response. but here is a quote to prove the Deliberate intent of this gesture.



funny I notice Detoxx edited that particular quate but failed to indicate that that assumption was no longer valid, wonder why?

Multiple people asked for clarification and for a consensus to be reached in regards to how much time after the FTE. No one was willing to come to an agreement so now you can kick rocks pretty much.

[Cochonou]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Instead of reaching so laughably hard, maybe you retards should just realize that you played lauaghbly bad on the repop and just play better next time?

[maskedmelon]

We don't need anymore rules. Staff just needs to start deleting characters for lack of common sense.

If you engage a target and do not attempt to start disposing of it immediately, your character should be deleted. Having one or more people weather an assault for an hot does not count as attempting to eliminate the target.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't need anymore rules. Staff just needs to start deleting characters for lack of common sense.

If you engage a target and do not attempt to start disposing of it immediately, your character should be deleted. Having one or more people weather an assault for an hot does not count as attempting to eliminate the target.

QFT

Like I said ... if you want to stop the drama on this server, simplify the rules and start laying down the law hardcore.

Make CoTH/ducking illegal for FTE purposes.

Any FTE that doesn't result in a direct engage by a capable and ready raid force illegal.


Guild breaks a rule? 30 day ban off ALL raid targets.

No more pansy 5-7 or 10 day slaps on the wrist. Break a major rule and you're out for a fucking month.

Violation involving raid targets while banned from raid targets? Permanently ban the accounts of any character involved.


What do you want to bet that if those rules were put in place all the shenaningans would stop immediately?

The quest for pixels via dubious means would result in loss of all pixels ... all neckbeards would stop playing pussyfoot with the rules.

I'd wager 1 guild would eat the banhammer and everyone would magically learn to get along. If they didn't get along, they'd be banned.

Content would open up, and the game would thrive for the rest of the server.

Too much bullshit goes on at the high end. Raid scene on blue is incredibly toxic.

[Gimp]

I can't tell if you're legitimately retarded or just acting like it since you're too much of a pussy to post on your actual account.

I've seen 4-5 repops happen while I was on the pad waiting to race for xxx mob. Every Single time the screen starting shaking, the race to PD was on. Therefore, there is a set precedent on how races and repops are treated. To implement a penalty for this one would be saying every repop PD FTE was illegitimate.

[Sodors Finest Poster]

If Rogean woke up this morning and pulled the plug on this project how many cases of MaceQuest would I see in the news?

[VANVEM]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't tell if you're legitimately retarded or just acting like it since you're too much of a pussy to post on your actual account.

I've seen 4-5 repops happen while I was on the pad waiting to race for xxx mob. Every Single time the screen starting shaking, the race to PD was on. Therefore, there is a set precedent on how races and repops are treated. To implement a penalty for this one would be saying every repop PD FTE was illegitimate.

You failed reading comprehension, please quote and show me where i was talking about that? the issue i am addressing is the FTE and then leaving said mob up and not allowing others to kill said mob is a stall, I even said the FTE might have been legit, might not have been i wasnt there to see it.

and THIS is my real account.....you should try talking from an educated positon, it would make you seem more..... not dumb

[TMBLOW]

Originally Posted by Gimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't tell if you're legitimately retarded or just acting like it since you're too much of a pussy to post on your actual account.

I've seen 4-5 repops happen while I was on the pad waiting to race for xxx mob. Every Single time the screen starting shaking, the race to PD was on. Therefore, there is a set precedent on how races and repops are treated. To implement a penalty for this one would be saying every repop PD FTE was illegitimate.

What a dumb fucking red neck.

First off - no one cares about your 'good ol boy circle jerk player made ruleset from VP'. The server rules are very clear in terms of tracker FTE and Sirken has already said that quakes or sim repops follow the server's rules.

Q15: Are either of my two trackers allowed to get FTE?
A: Absolutely not. If one of your trackers gains FTE, you need to drop aggro immediately and concede/forfeit the mob.

Q16: Are we allowed to bind at raid mobs? And/or camp out toons at raid mobs?
A: Absolutely not.

Gimpster - Were you not Bind Sight into KT or Statue room during the screen shake? You have no excuse as to why you ran towards the spawn points without them actually even being up and available to contest.

Now I know its very exciting when you are wasted on bud light and your screen shakes but what I find odd is you feel that it is 'ok' to position yourself to aggro raid mobs that were not even spawned before anyone else who legitimately was competing. Seems legit right? Why couldnt the face trackers who were already in the room simply FTE under your logic? Just because they didnt race from the snow? Seems you are picking and choosing when to apply rules and which rules apply to you.

Another question for you- When you entered King Tormax's throne area was he even up? Was the throne occupied?

Do you have your fraps?

A petition is already being reviewed regarding your tracker FTE. It does not matter what you did years ago in VP when the ground shook, the fact remains that you left the starting line to 'race' for raid mobs that did not exist- you essentially were making yourself an additional face tracker watching the spawn.

Grats on not only stalling the shit out of these raid mobs so no other guilds could enjoy the repop and obtaining the rights to them illegitimately- truely a class act.

Dont worry though, I bet he will keep talking about VP precedent that set the gold standard for raiding here.

lol