Munich Mall Shooting -

[Tecmos Deception]

Sorry shit grammar and such. Phone keyboard, can't be assed to be too correct.

[Domo]

My english is worse then your grammar Tecmos, but I get your point.
I dont live in the USA and dont have all infos, therefore I dont have the "whole picture".
But I still think that you could save a lot of lifes by putting some gunlaws in place.

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[Jarnauga]

i wonder why crime rates are so much higher in the usa compared to the rest of the western world then.. you guys have to stop with your failed logic "hurr if criminals can get weapons everyone should be allowed to to be safe durr" because if it was true, the usa would be the safest place on earth, and it's just not the case:

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I would find it interesting to find out how many cops die per 100 000 in the US compared to other countries but find it hard to get data

Also stop using Switzerland as an example: while it is true they can keep the weapon they use during military training at home, they can't keep any ammo, and buying ammo is heavily restricted.. so heavily restricted that you dumbass would cry "over my dead body"

lastly, it's funny that numbers don't support the "hurr there's only high murders in areas where there's guns laws"

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[Jarnauga]

also +1 for tecmos, i agree it's not just guns, there's also a larger problem at hand.. i know it's not exactly what you said and you largely disagree with me, but i still agree on that part

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Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i wonder why crime rates are so much higher in the usa compared to the rest of the western world then.

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I answered this in another thread and you had nothing to say. Crime rates are so much higher because of diversity. US is the most diverse country in the world. Chile is also very ethnically diverse. Normalize for diversity, and you'll get an answer to your question.

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That graph has gun deaths, not homicide.

[Jarnauga]

also, since nobody cares: the munich killer had no ties to daesh, had converted to christianity and was a admirer of breivik, shouts of killing foreigners are confirmed, 3 turks, 3 kosovars and 1 greek killed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by barrettdc1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a fucking moron. That's all.

Oh (((Jarnauga))) here, make that 2 Jews arguing for gun confiscation instead of just (((Domo/DocLanguar))).

Bizarre.

Originally Posted by barrettdc1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's ok my friend. When the end comes, and you are cowering in fear behind your shield of acceptance and love, know this. Us with our wall of guns and our sense of "gee, didn't see this fucking coming....not!' will laugh as you beg us for protection.

Hate to pull the preparer card, but they will also be left desperately begging us for our resources that we have secured. Food, water, clothing, gasoline.

And them not even having a single piece bumps them way down the respect list. Even if they have never had to use the gun, the fact they can't/wont be able to produce one during a state of emergency makes them bottomfeeders among prepared men and women.

what kind of respect will these people get among the community? some will take pity on them, but others will just starve or be outcasted in certain communities.

When resources are scarce, those who don't possess a gun do not get a seat at the dinner table. Period. Again, its not about having to use the firearm. This is merely about not becoming a "persona non grata" during a time of emergency. A gun secures your seat at the table. Men will be judged based on their survival traits and masculinity, those who don't measure up will find themselves getting less food, less people caring about them, and generally being left to fend for themselves.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But I still think that you could save a lot of lifes by putting some gunlaws in place.

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But here's the thing. You could save a lot of lives by outlawing a lot of different things.

A ton of people die in automobile accidents (or intentional automobile violence) every year. But no one would ever suggest that the fix for automobile accidents is to ban automobiles. No one would ever suggest that the only people who should be allowed to use automobiles are mass transit drivers. Cars serve a valuable purpose in society, and no one actually believes that the cars themselves are the problem. It's bad drivers who are the problem, whether that means a 91-year-old who's mostly blind and deaf is still getting behind the wheel or it's a drunk driver or it's someone who speeds all the time or it's an idiot parent who leaves their kids in the car in the summer time... it's people who don't use automobiles properly who cause most accidents.

So to combat automobile accidents, driver's training programs are more rigorous. The goverment runs ad campaigns to remind people of the dangers of distracted driving. There's signs by construction zones reminding you to drive slowly or face stiffer penalties for traffic offenses (or hitting a worker). Etc. And if they want to reduce automobile accidents even more, they'd require refresher courses from drivers and do regular eye exams of drivers over 60 and spend more money maintaining roadways and more money enforcing traffic offenses.

But they wouldn't ban vehicles.


Guns are the same way. They serve a valuable purpose in society (albeit many people question the truth of this... but that's mostly due to ignorance about a number of things, and therefore fear of things that are not understood, imo). Guns don't kill people; people who use guns improperly kill people.

But for the reasons mentioned above, ignorance of things like how firearms work (omg AR-15 that must stand for FULLY AUTOMATIC GUN OF DEATH AND THE NRA WANTS EVERYONE TO HAVE THEM WITHOUT BACKGROUND CHECKSSSSSSS), ignorance of how law enforcement "protects" people (when seconds count, the cops are only minutes away. You don't neglect smoke detectors or fire extinguishers or teaching your kids what to do in a fire just because the fire department is the ones "in charge" of protecting us from housefires right? So why would you neglect firearms and some training and some knowledge about defending your home from criminals just because the police are the ones "in charge" of protecting you from criminals?), ignoring the fact that governments have more than once been less than kind to disarmed populations (lol it won't happen to us!!), too many people being fucking sheep who buy into whatever they see parroted on TV/facebook/whatever...

Because of all that shit and more, people think guns kill people, think there's no need for firearms in "civilized" society (lol), etc.

[Domo]

Guns dont kill people, people kill guns. I agree.
But guns make it very easy for people to kill people.

About your "car accident" example; compared to guns, the primary function of a cars is to bring people from A to B. the primary function of guns is to hurt your target.

[Jarnauga]

you can kill someone with a car, yes.. or with a 20 tons truck too, yes. But it's not the primary objective of a car, or a truck. The advantage you get from a car is far bigger than the danger of someone that might use it as a weapon. And that goes without saying that the use of a car is heavily reglemented: you have to get a license, you have to follow lots of road rules, speed limit, belt, maintenance of the car.. it's actually funny that there's more reglementation on acquiring a car than on getting a weapon in the us.

The only goal of a firearm is to kill, period. You can try to prettify by saying "defend myself" instead of kill, but that's exactly the same thing. What i find crazy is you all already accept limitations to that right: why can't you carry a weapon on a flight in the usa ? guess what: for safety. That said i'm sure i'm gonna find someone who thinks everyone would be safer if everyone would have guns in an airplane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]