Why are most of the artists in the USA democrats?

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol. I feel dumb now. Sorry (o^^o). you are a tremendous goof ^^


on topic though, if people around red shirts are more sensitive to red shirts, why would that be? shouldn't Pavlov be paving a road to acceptance for red shirts by reinforcing MANY good images of them? Why the heck would we see the opposite? (assuming your presuppositions hold). I don't get it?

Lora is well-intentioned.

If only racism could be destroyed by presenting television viewers with positive images of all the races... We'd not have racism. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally grew up as the only white boy on our street. I also went to public schools that had extreme racial violence some of which I witnessed and was part of so I feel very passionate on the topic. I also grew up with a mother that dated outside her racial lines so I not only lived in a black neighborhood but lived with a black man growing up.

I can tell you 100% that my actual experiences formed my thoughts on blacks, and that in no way shape or form would TV or any movies change that perception.

Racism is extremely complicated, I just lack the ability to put into words everything I want to say on the topic, sorry if my posts are jumbled or confusing, or perhaps a bit simplistic.

[skarlorn]

Uh the wire actually dissolved the last of my institutionalized racism so I agree with loramin

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? The assumption was that getting punched is a bad thing; there were no "good images" in my example. In the real world obviously things are a lot more complex, but my example was just to explain the basic principle.

Ohhhh, sorry, I had it backwards and assumed you were drawing a correlation between red shirts and black people (your reference to blood pressure increase and all) and inadvertently broadened your example to include "good" red shirts.

If you saw red shirts all the time, wouldn't you be less likely to draw the connection of red shirt = punch? More interactions would mean more opportunities for your brain to establish a neutral or even positive image of red shirts, no?

Is that where you are going with the whole movie thing?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lora is well-intentioned.

If only racism could be destroyed by presenting television viewers with positive images of all the races... We'd not have racism. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I personally grew up as the only white boy on our street. I also went to public schools that had extreme racial violence some of which I witnessed and was part of so I feel very passionate on the topic. I also grew up with a mother that dated outside her racial lines so I not only lived in a black neighborhood but lived with a black man growing up.

I can tell you 100% that my actual experiences formed my thoughts on blacks, and that in no way shape or form would TV or any movies change that perception.

Racism is extremely complicated, I just lack the ability to put into words everything I want to say on the topic, sorry if my posts are jumbled or confusing, or perhaps a bit simplistic.

I think your last sentence summed it up perfectly: racism is complicated. To be fair my earlier "treatise" on racism did cover more than just the institutional part, but to reiterate .... of course both having a black man in your life and going to a school with racial violence had a huge impact on your life and of course both those things have a ... I hesitate to say "bigger" since it's apples and oranges, but ... they have a more obvious effect.

All I'm saying is that our brains are just as extremely complicated, and we have all sorts of stuff going on below the level of conscious thought. I truly believe that "the war against racism" can't be won a single front: it has to be won on the conscious level AND on the subconscious level (ie. on both the explicit and institutional levels).

[loramin]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you saw red shirts all the time, wouldn't you be less likely to draw the connection of red shirt = punch? More interactions would mean more opportunities for your brain to establish a neutral or even positive image of red shirts, no?

Is that where you are going with the whole movie thing?

Yes! I hesitate to say it, but I think we might actually be on the same page now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think your last sentence summed it up perfectly: racism is complicated. To be fair my earlier "treatise" on racism did cover more than just the institutional part, but to reiterate .... of course both having a black man in your life and going to a school with racial violence had a huge impact on your life and of course both those things have a ... I hesitate to say "bigger" since it's apples and oranges, but ... they have a more obvious effect.

All I'm saying is that our brains are just as extremely complicated, and we have all sorts of stuff going on below the level of conscious thought. I truly believe that "the war against racism" can't be won a single front: it has to be won on the conscious level AND on the subconscious level (ie. on both the explicit and institutional levels).

I just miss what would be presented on TV that could possibly move people from their racist thoughts/feelings?

Give me an example of how this media can be used to absolve racism. I feel like we already have tons of positive examples of good people to draw opinions of them from TV...

Even if your idea would work, wouldn't every depiction of every race have to be presented in a positive light on TV then? wouldn't that then be seen as highly unrealistic? Even a non-biased person would see that kind of depiction as silly and cartoonish.

How can media be used to sway the hearts and minds of racist people through TV and movies as you presented?

At best this is like trying to stick a bandaid on a shotgun blast to the head, and at worst a farce of an idea bro. Sorry that's how I see it anyway.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, let's start with the millions thing: measuring membership in social movements is hard. It's not like everyone who believes in and supports BLM goes to a webpage and registers. But all you need is basic math to see it has to be in the millions.

There are 326+ million people in America. For "millions" to be accurate, only 2 million, or 0.6% of the population would have to support BLM. Do you really think less than 0.6% of America supports BLM?

Second, you're 100% wrong about it starting with Mike Brown; hell it didn't even start with Rodney King. African-Americans in our society have been dealing with police brutality and harassment since the moment they were freed, and they've been fighting it for just as long. BLM is just a continuation of MLK's and Malcom X's fight, which in turn continued the fight that came before.

As for:



You sort of have a point: African-Americans (as a logical function of their history) have higher crime rates. And certainly, if cops are arresting criminals, and African-Americans make up more of the criminals, they'll get arrested more.

But none of that has anything to do with the stuff BLM is fighting, stuff like police brutality and false arrests/convictions. No one, whatever their race, deserves to live in fear of the police, to be beaten by police, or to be falsely arrested and/or convicted.

So, fabricating numbers and making assumptions is now how you prove your claims? I am sorry but no, there were never 2 million plus people who supported BLM. It has been extremely localized to minority communities and extremists. They have not proven a single claim in regards to police brutality targeting race and ethnicity. They literally have to set up buses to bring in instigators because they dont have enough support in the communities they try to protest in. They have taken over other protests and celebration in order to push their own agendas, but you cant count those appropriated by this movement as its actual supporters.

It was in fact started by 3 black women who were heavily influenced by a convicted cop killer who is currently living in Cuba. It has nothing to do with MLK or Rodney King, which is a funny example that you should go back and read what really happened to. You are trying to correlate the BLM movement with the civil rights movement among others, which is just a false equivalency since they are in no way actually related.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes! I hesitate to say it, but I think we might actually be on the same page now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

omgosh! ^.^ I'm glad for that ^^

[Pokesan]

brings a tear to my eye to see loramin learning the dance. ah, to be young again...

*sniffle*

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

brings a tear to my eye to see loramin learning the dance. ah, to be young again...

*sniffle*

lmao