Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[berbax]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they implemented a roll it would have to have the same agreement as skargus,you would stay for the kill otherwise only the few classes that can solo dru would be able to do it.
If less than 100 people regularly showed up I would be astounded. No prerequisites at all, small chance at 250k item, people would do it daily.

Makes sense, although I doubt the price stays at 250k as the item becomes more accessible to the rest of the server. If we are going to hypothesize that 100 people show up daily, we can also make the same hypothesis that the price tag goes down also.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they implemented a roll it would have to have the same agreement as skargus,you would stay for the kill otherwise only the few classes that can solo dru would be able to do it.
If less than 100 people regularly showed up I would be astounded. No prerequisites at all, small chance at 250k item, people would do it daily.

Cool as urn may be imo the benefit of 2 servers is 2 cultures so there should be a different solution to each problem on the servers.

[PatChapp]

The price is driven by supply,which would be largely unaffected unless they also increased the drop rate.
Urn prices won't be changed much,if at all.
Right not there is lots of demand and none for sale, next urn on the market could easily hit 300.

[Toxigen]

also this thread is fail w/o a bush towers vote option

[berbax]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The price is driven by supply,which would be largely unaffected unless they also increased the drop rate.
Urn prices won't be changed much,if at all.
Right not there is lots of demand and none for sale, next urn on the market could easily hit 300.

This is a lot of theorizing for my taste, but I'll try to elaborate. The high price of the urn is directly tied to the monopolization of the spawn by a single group or guild (on repeat for long periods of time). A recent example you're aware of I'm sure is your own guild holding it for ~34 days now 24/7 with an acquisition I heard of around 15 urns (nice). This monopolization creates an artificial scarcity, driving up prices due to the lack of access for the broader player base.

You're right about the supply and demand part as a basic economic principle. In this case within the last 34 days Castle controls the camp, dictates the supply, releasing urns into the market at their discretion (or not at all), which inflates the price.

Furthermore, when access to the camp is limited to a select few, the demand from the larger player base remains unmet. This imbalance between high demand and artificially restricted supply causes the price inflation. Over the past six months the price of the urn has escalated significantly (seems almost a 30% increase over 9 months also).

Implementing a fairer system, such as a roll or list, would democratize access to the camp, increasing the supply of urns available to the general player base. This would help stabilize prices, as more players would have the opportunity to obtain the urn directly rather than relying on the market controlled by a few.

The current system perpetuates an inflated price due to monopolization and restricted access, not because of natural market forces. A more equitable approach would address this issue, benefiting the entire community by making the urn more accessible and reasonably priced. Overall, this is a little too much speculation for my liking.

[Toxigen]

imagine using the word equitable in a conversation about EQ

people are soft as shit

[Ruien]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Implementing a fairer system, such as a roll or list, would democratize access to the camp, increasing the supply of urns available to the general player base. This would help stabilize prices, as more players would have the opportunity to obtain the urn directly rather than relying on the market controlled by a few.

No, this system is not fairer, because it puts people who have invested 0 effort on an equal footing with people who would invest 100+ hours to earn their Urn.

So, your goal is to put Urns in the hands of people who don't really want them in the hopes that they hit the market instead. Then, the optimal way to get an Urn goes from actually doing DS to instead buying the Urn using funds acquired by, say, farming prismatic scales in ST.

Conclusion: Even if your proposal did lower Urn MQ prices by the logic you presented, that would only be because you're stealing urns from people willing to put in effort and handing them to people who log in once per day on an alt for 15 seconds for the sole intent of hitting a mini jackpot. That's a terrible trade.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imagine using the word equitable in a conversation about EQ

people are soft as shit

Hi Toxigen, thanks for your input, if you are having trouble understanding I can explain it to you on the side. Otherwise if you're just trying to insult, then thank you for feedback, don't forget to vote.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by Ruien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, this system is not fairer because it puts people who have invested 0 effort on an equal footing with people who would invest 100+ hours to earn their Urn.

So, your goal is to put Urns in the hands of people who don't really want them in the hopes that they hit the market instead. Then, the optimal way to get an Urn goes from actually doing DS to instead buying the Urn using funds acquired by, say, farming prismatic scales in ST.

Conclusion: Even if your proposal did lower Urn MQ prices by the logic you presented, that would only be because you're stealing urns from people willing to put in effort and handing them to people who log in once per day on an alt for 15 seconds for the sole intent of hitting a mini jackpot. That's a terrible trade.

Your concern about effort versus reward is understandable, but the current system rewards monopolization rather than true effort. A roll or list system would democratize access, ensuring that everyone has a fair chance without having to camp for excessive, unhealthy periods.

This change addresses the artificial scarcity created by a few guilds controlling the camp, which drives up prices. By increasing supply through fairer access, we can stabilize prices and make the urn more accessible.

The goal isn't to reduce the effort required but to ensure that effort is rewarded fairly, promoting a healthier and more inclusive community. This system would still require engagement, just without the need for 24/7 camping.

In summary, the proposed system aims for balanced gameplay, fair access, and a healthier community.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi Toxigen, thanks for your input, if you are having trouble understanding I can explain it to you on the side. Otherwise if you're just trying to insult, then thank you for feedback, don't forget to vote.

EQ isn't fair. Sorry you don't got Drusella solo artist kill.

Consider Quarm I heard they do a lot of hand-holding and equitable things there.