Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone google'd philo 101 to get some neat things to post! I put no words in his mouth, just stated he agreed with me, and you have been riding his name's dick for like 5 pages now.

Searyx banned people for training... prolly true. He also helped monster fuck the server with loot tables, and all kinds of wonderful shit.

Just like all the other admins on VZ/TZ. I'm sure some had great intent, but they monster fucked the server routinely.

I dont know why your so against having no GM intervention? What are you scared of?

Cause that is all I really want. Zero GM intervention save for game mechanic issues.

Seriously, why u skur'd?

Having actually played on servers with zero gm intervention (sullon zek for years, vztz in the periods where they let everything go wild), it's blatantly obvious that its terrible for populations. It's not impossible to determine intentions during trains, in fact its quite easy in many situations.

I'm really sorry you missed out on sullon zek for your darkie only roleplay guild on tallon, it was quite a blast.However sullon zek's training did demolish its numbers quicker than any other server on eq and that was during the prime of everquest where people had time and money invested in their characters with 2000+ logging in rather than a "maybe 200-300" here. Most people aren't going to continue playing a free emu server where they get da trained starting at lvl 1 and that's simply the reality bro.

If you find a time machine to live out your dream of playing on sullon zek let me know, but this server isn't sullon zek.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having actually played on servers with zero gm intervention (sullon zek for years, vztz in the periods where they let everything go wild), it's blatantly obvious that its terrible for populations. It's not impossible to determine intentions during trains, in fact its quite easy in many situations.

I'm really sorry you missed out on sullon zek for your darkie only roleplay guild on tallon, it was quite a blast.However sullon zek's training did demolish its numbers quicker than any other server on eq and that was during the prime of everquest where people had time and money invested in their characters with 2000+ logging in rather than a "maybe 200-300" here. Most people aren't going to continue playing a free emu server where they get da trained starting at lvl 1 and that's simply the reality bro.

If you find a time machine to live out your dream of playing on sullon zek let me know, but this server isn't sullon zek.

Nobody told you? Sullon was where all the social rejects that nobody liked ran off to. TZ had zero rules that I ever saw, except dont use racial slurs on the GMs... that got Bolaris banned. =/

And whats your fascination with RP'ing?? I hear the WoW Emerald Dream needs players if you wanna get some RP action in.

[Amuk]

Gotta side with Xant on this, I played on TZ - I wasn't a part of PDM, I was a semi casual fucken 16-17 year old player, we fought SOTG/Kotwr/fireborn(who we later merged with) type level of guilds and there was rarely training involved.

I remember our guild leader would make sure noone played dirty and it usually was given back to us. I don't think this community is like live, and at least if it's against the rules and the GMS catch you in the act no fucken way to mistake a blatent train (for example naked Nwall train) then ban that accnt and you lose whatever fucken massive time levelling on p99 exp curve. I honestly think the fear of losing your char alone is a pretty big deterrent on that type of style server with active GM's.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gotta side with Xant on this, I played on TZ - I wasn't a part of PDM, I was a semi casual fucken 16-17 year old player, we fought SOTG/Kotwr/fireborn(who we later merged with) type level of guilds and there was rarely training involved.

I remember our guild leader would make sure noone played dirty and it usually was given back to us. I don't think this community is like live, and at least if it's against the rules and the GMS catch you in the act no fucken way to mistake a blatent train (for example naked Nwall train) then ban that accnt and you lose whatever fucken massive time levelling on p99 exp curve. I honestly think the fear of losing your char alone is a pretty big deterrent on that type of style server with active GM's.

This does nothing but reinforce the idea that the community can police training with out GMs.

And naked Nwall train can be used to camp a cleric out to make PoF farmable by a 6-12 man group.

[Amuk]

To expand on that, I saw some questionable trains - if you're pvping in hate and you pick up that roaming ghast, or shit like that - but straight out legal training would be DA cleric 20 mobs up your ass all day. Least on live people attempted to make it look accidental and less significant.

[Amuk]

Maybe there was hardcore trains against PDM from AOTL/Discordia, I'm not sure - but from my terrible ass drug abused memory I seem to remember PDM doing a lot of uncontested raiding.

3 in a row holy smokes.

[Envious]

Plus, its not simply the cant prove intent.

-It saves the GMs / Devs the hassle of dealing with petty shit.
-Keeps corruption 100% out of the picture, because there is ZERO EFFECTIVE INTERACTION
-Allows community to police itself, and omfg... actually establish a community instead of a sandbox of kids needing to be babysat
-Puts pressure on players to NOT be shitbags, because other players will shit on you too

Seriously, why you scared of being alone without the baby sitters?

[Envious]

And VZ/TZ week no-rules for what? 1 week? Lol

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And VZ/TZ week no-rules for what? 1 week? Lol

Hoho zinger, you sure got me there, the months on occasion when vztz had no rules in addition to my years spent on sz, I guess the mid level guild you were in on tz certainly had more experience with a server with no GM intervention.

[Envious]

I can remember some VZ/TZ GM stating that they tried no rules, and after a week (maybe a month? Its only been a couple of years and I was not playing at the time? Lol) and all the QQ they brought them back.

I can recall people speaking of 1 guys alt monk getting banned after training PDM... which bred some of the most impressive forum and game trolls ever, as witnessed on these forums and VZ/TZ forums (Nobody forgets TZT).

And as far as hiding my name, I'm not~ Envious was the name of one of my alts on TZ, and my main on Tich, as well a char I had on the VZ/TZ emu (I dont remember which char).

Maybe this conversation we are having now is the point, I dont need to stroke my own ego. I gamed with (arguably) the best players from TZ when we moved to Tichondrius for WoW. And gamed with some of the best in Vanilla EQ. So not going into detail about guilds I was in, or what we have done, and having you babble on and on about how it somehow makes my posts less relevant doesnt really bother me at all.

Whereas you... well, you need some stroking pal. Find a woman?