Want to actually raid?

[falkun]

Originally Posted by MooseTX82 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BTW im still waiting on proof where I flaunt my guild as if we were not associated with TMO. Or the part where I act as if we are doing things on our own accord without the alliance. Please do post it here if you ever find it.

Originally Posted by Poopy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by MooseTX82 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im pretty sure you have no idea about my guild. We are not an alt guild of anybody. So really if you dont know anything about it why talk shit?

Originally Posted by Zeelot

TMO members that are willing, will join Enraptured for the next two weeks and possibly beyond - on their main or alt.

Originally Posted by MooseTX82 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2 Alts? Seriously? Whos in the guild besides Darkdeath? Im curious to see what you THINK you know? Get the fuck off my guild's recruitment thread and go to RnF if you want to talk shit. I dont come talk one bit on your guild's thread do I? Show some kinda class and respect.

Originally Posted by Zeelot

though I will be tagged an Enraptured officer, take part in loot council, and speak for the few choice items that our friends need.

Originally Posted by MooseTX82 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

False comments with no proof to back it up. Name 1 person from Enraptured that is in TMO. Oh you can't? That's probably because it has never happened. You have always been so obsessed with this Enraptured TMO alliance. Get over it man.

Nope, people just join Enraptured from TMO to get around a raid ban:

Originally Posted by Alyssa

Will they be racing bda etc? Is this going to upset the staff who suspended us?

I don't care if you partner with TMO, but don't try to sell it to the server like you are not literally a pawn guild for TMO. Even when VD was allied with IB, IB didn't have a member on VD's loot council.

Also, to all you TMO who feel you are being altruistic: You are denying content to anyone not "blessed" by you because you don't like us (for whatever reasons). This is the same thing IB did to TMO. You didn't defeat your enemy, you became that enemy.

Originally Posted by Zeelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be honest. TMOs entry to the raid scene was not hardcore. I decided to make TMO a hardcore raiding guild right before kunark release. The only reason I decided this was in response to IB's actions at TMOs first ever nagafen attempt.

At this naggy, an IB member named Olympia aggrod naggy and kited for 40 seconds, TMO engaged and killed it with some IB help(8-12 people) and IB was awarded the kill. This was after numerous tells by kinsawt throughout the day that IB would give TMO and uncontested attempt.

There's something wrong when the #1 guild does this to a brand new up and coming guild on the server.

It was at this point in time that I decided the raid scene needs a new #1 guild and that IB needed to go.

When you see the face of evil, old-hat TMO think you see IB/TR; what you really see are yourselves. To new TMO members who hopped on the TMO bandwagon after-the-fact, you are either blind/ignorant to who you have joined, or you actively choose to deny the truth for personal gain.

[Alarti0001]

Well we can't feed everyone at once. Wait your turn!

[Rais]

I don't care if you partner with TMO, but don't try to sell it to the server like you are not literally a pawn guild for TMO. Even when VD was allied with IB, IB didn't have a member on VD's loot council.

Also, to all you TMO who feel you are being altruistic: You are denying content to anyone not "blessed" by you because you don't like us (for whatever reasons). This is the same thing IB did to TMO. You didn't defeat your enemy, you became that enemy.

Not true. They threatened to end the alliance with VD over loot a few encounters. Namely Cleric BP, Shield from Cazic. The former was what made us have a loot order of items/gods. The fact IB treated most from VD like shit, especially on the raid leader level makes me amazed at how a good handful of former officers/leaders decided to join them on EQmac. I guess I could understand. Either stay here and watch TMO get away with everything, or go play another server with people who looked down on your guild and hope to be part of them.

[getsome]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not true. They threatened to end the alliance with VD over loot a few encounters. Namely Cleric BP, Shield from Cazic. The former was what made us have a loot order of items/gods. The fact IB treated most from VD like shit, especially on the raid leader level makes me amazed at how a good handful of former officers/leaders decided to join them on EQmac. I guess I could understand. Either stay here and watch TMO get away with everything, or go play another server with people who looked down on your guild and hope to be part of them.

I never had a conversation with you regarding loot thus I think your viewpoint is not entirely accurate and may contain some bias based on who may have relayed the information to you.

I handled 99% of the "loot negotiations" with VD, specifically Coldblooded. We may have had other officers present at raids where neither of us was present figure out loot from such and such mob. But VD and IB, specifically cold and myself had already agreed on most terms that we could immediately forsee.

Cleric BP's, teeth, BCGs had a pre-decided ratio / distribution sytem. And a few other small details.

It was only one occassion where the alliance was in "jeopardy". A shield of the rainbow hues dropped from CT and I objected when VD, who won the roll on it, decided to award the loot to a monk who was not present at the raid. In theory most guilds award loot to those who are present. They had several members present at the raid who could have used the shield. Had I known previously that they had planned to award the shield to someone who was not at the raid (at the point of rolling for it, I do not think VD knew either to be fair) , I would never have rolled on it. Agree or disagree with my actions, that is my opinion and how I viewed loot be handled at our joint raids. If being present at a raid was not a requirement, then Zilo would have a sky bow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]. Its just a fundamental of how I view loot should be done with perhaps rare exceptions.

For most of the VD/IB joint raiding, we figured out loot on the fly as to who wanted / needed what. I would say 95% of the loot was decided at the moment without any second thought. No system is perfect but the one time we had a major disagreement we emerged with a better plan moving forward. I may have disagree'd at times with my counterpart but I always respected the people I dealt with, from the player / raid level, to the leader / officer level.

"The fact IB treated most from VD like shit especially on the raid leader level"

Your entitled to your opinion, I would not regard it as fact. Alot of personalities mix when you get two groups together, and players will always wrap themselves under the banner of the guild tag when butting heads with other players. Of the handful of incidents it was usually player v player , not guild v guild.

A few of IB joined VD on p99 after IB closed up shop. A few VD went to EQmac to play with the IB people. If fact was IB treated VD like shit then this would probable not be the case.

Were there a few exceptions with a few individuals who constantly butted heads, I guess. I was never really involved with the dynamics of the pull team.

Either way I made alot of new friends in VD and these are my views on the subject.

[MooseTX82]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, people just join Enraptured from TMO to get around a raid ban:


I don't care if you partner with TMO, but don't try to sell it to the server like you are not literally a pawn guild for TMO. Even when VD was allied with IB, IB didn't have a member on VD's loot council.

Also, to all you TMO who feel you are being altruistic: You are denying content to anyone not "blessed" by you because you don't like us (for whatever reasons). This is the same thing IB did to TMO. You didn't defeat your enemy, you became that enemy.



When you see the face of evil, old-hat TMO think you see IB/TR; what you really see are yourselves. To new TMO members who hopped on the TMO bandwagon after-the-fact, you are either blind/ignorant to who you have joined, or you actively choose to deny the truth for personal gain.

We don't have a member of TMO on our loot council. While that was the plan it didn't happen since we raid as 2 different guilds. Enraptured loot council is as follows: me, Xero, Kitsy, Khezak, Sunnyvale.

[Paumad]

I apologize for Xasten being to nice to trolls.

[Writ3r]

apology accepted, good verse by the way in your sig.

[Shinko]

vp is hard?

[Tanthallas]

Only time this server has seen cooperation happened to be when TMO was suspended. The PUG VP group that formed was killing shit with 20-25 people with horrible class compositions. Nexona to 8% with under 30 people and would have been dead if you tools werent waiting outside to train us.

VP so hard bro.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only time this server has seen cooperation happened to be when TMO was suspended. The PUG VP group that formed was killing shit with 20-25 people with horrible class compositions. Nexona to 8% with under 30 people and would have been dead if you tools werent waiting outside to train us.

VP so hard bro.

Don't let us discourage you! Do it again =)