Raid Changes

[Ele]

Originally Posted by SupaflyIRL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you could honestly tell me you're certain guilds wouldn't stoop even lower to the challenge (as in you'd wager something important on it), I'll concede this point.

I have no idea what you just said.

[Elements]

How's about a rotation only for very late window spawns. If mob has < 6 hrs in window next guild in rotation gets first shot but if you wipe its FTE. TMO is still going to get the vast majority of spawns but the entire server can be spared FTE socking.

Also who evers turn it is in the rotation would have say 10 minutes to engage or it becomes FFA.

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no idea what you just said.

Not my problem, yours.

e: post is still there, read it as many times as you need to

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Wiwi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long has variance been instituted?

Let's say Rogean became a vegan one day and suddenly decided to remove the variance for just one month. How bad would things be in comparison to how things run now?

If this is answered by another thread, please link for me.

What would happen is everyone and their brother would sit on the spawn point spamming tab/autoattack. When the boss spawned, no one would know who had FTE, and every boss kill would require a petition for the GM to check.

HOPEFULLY after about a month of this idiocy everyone would work out a rotation, but I doubt it.

TBH this doesn't sound worse than now when 50% of the time the GMs have to check anyway.

BTW Xasten, I don't think poopsocking is the primary problem with the raid scene currently. The primary problem is that 80% of the population has no interest in it owning to the batphone/tracking required even when things are working 'well' as you would say. Any solution to the raid scene needs to address the primary problem first; if it makes sense it will fix poopsocking as well.

[khanable]

Does /guildwar work?

Fight it out, guilds.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by SupaflyIRL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not my problem, yours.

e: post is still there, read it as many times as you need to

as someone who has written academic papers, this is just wrong. If someone doesn't understand what you are saying, that is YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if they have the IQ of an amoeba (average for tenured professors), it's YOUR job to make your points understandable, not criticize their intellectual equipment.

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as someone who has written academic papers, this is just wrong. If someone doesn't understand what you are saying, that is YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if they have the IQ of an amoeba (average for tenured professors), it's YOUR job to make your points understandable, not criticize their intellectual equipment.

My post was not in any way ambiguous and this isn't an academic paper.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as someone who has written academic papers, this is just wrong. If someone doesn't understand what you are saying, that is YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if they have the IQ of an amoeba (average for tenured professors), it's YOUR job to make your points understandable, not criticize their intellectual equipment.

He has to write something that is understandable to a majority there will always be people who dont understand. However, I understood what supafly or what not was saying. It was pretty clear he was stating that people would just poopsock longer.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by SupaflyIRL [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand you've invested yourself in this idea, but you're wrong and your numbers and theory are garbage.

Oh, you wound me so deeply.

Under the current scheme, you can guarantee that if Trak has 5 hours left, you WILL see him within 5 hours. This motivates the sock. The ONLY question is if will you win the FTE lottery. Trak is NOT socked until the window nears completion because it is not worth it to the guilds involved to invest so many resources.

Under the proposed scheme, if the current window has 5 hours left, you are NOT guaranteed to see him within 5 hours. This forces a calculated gamble as to whether or not a guild should commit resources to socking

I submit, that such uncertainty will lead to fewer spawn camps. Even if it only reduces spawn camping by a small amount, it is still a reduction and thus my statements hold true. The question then becomes is the reduction in camping enough so as to make ~3% less Trak spawns a year worth it?

Do you alternatively submit that this scheme increases socking? Also, as time continues, the "end of the window" becomes increasingly smaller in regards to the overall window size.

If a mob had a 6 hour variance, it would always be an "end of window" scenario. If it had a 500 hour variance the "end of the window" scenario would be an extremely small proportion of the total window. Therefore, window extensions contribute to making the "end of the window" a smaller proportion of the total window. Ergo, a decrease in the impetus to sock.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He has to write something that is understandable to a majority there will always be people who dont understand. However, I understood what supafly or what not was saying. It was pretty clear he was stating that people would just poopsock longer.

You speculated and assumed what he was saying.