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Old 09-04-2022, 09:12 PM
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To say that shamans could be root rotting on the side of a chain pulling xp group is like saying that a wizard and a bard in the same six man group could be quadding down some greens or low blues on the side of the real juicy targets the other 4 are doing.

It is, as Karanis said, completely retarded. Nobody sane would do such a thing.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:17 PM
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To say that shamans could be root rotting on the side of a chain pulling xp group is like saying that a wizard and a bard in the same six man group could be quadding down some greens or low blues on the side of the real juicy targets the other 4 are doing.

It is, as Karanis said, completely retarded. Nobody sane would do such a thing.
Again, your preference is irrelevant. If you care about DPS, you would increase it however you can. A Shaman can Root/Rot trash.

When you aren't fighting trash (targets that take longer than 30 seconds to kill), the DPS gap between Shamans and Mages shrinks to 10 DPS.

The reality is you get diminishing returns as you increase DPS, as I showed before.

If your group has 100 DPS and a mob has 8000 HP, the mob takes 80 seconds to kill.

If your group has 200 DPS and a mob has 8000 HP, the mob takes 40 seconds to kill. (Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric)

If your group has 230 DPS and a mob has 8000 HP, the mob takes 35 seconds to kill. (Mage/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric)

A 5 second increase in kill speed means very little in reality, because you are typically restricted on how many kills you get per hour by respawn timers.

A Shaman's broader toolkit is going to be much more helpful in more situations than saving 5 seconds on a kill.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:24 PM
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It must be so nice for you, DSM. Being able to pick and choose parts of reality, and then deny all the rest.

It enables you to endure yourself, does it not?

Do you not realise that this 5 fewer seconds is going to add up of the course of an hour or more? And if we take human limitations of stamina into consideration, then mage is completely beating shaman here.

Do you not understand, you imbecile, that root rotting some trash on the side is just you pathetically trying in vain to justify the spot for shaman?

A wizard and a bard, as I have pointed out, could be doing AoE kiting on the side in Seb. You think the other 4 members of this group and going to appreciate this, even if they could "function normally" regardless?
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:33 PM
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Do you not realise that this 5 fewer seconds is going to add up of the course of an hour or more? And if we take human limitations of stamina into consideration, then mage is completely beating shaman here.
Not going to respond to your other nonsense.

I am taking this into consideration. If you are killng 20 mobs per 30 minute respawn cycle, you save 100 seconds per cycle. That means you are saving 3 minutes per hour. To get an extra cycle out of that, you would need to play for 10 hours lol. I am indeed including human limitations. I am not going to pick a Mage on the off chance we play for 10 hours straight.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:38 PM
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Not going to respond to your other nonsense.

I am taking this into consideration. If you are killng 20 mobs per 30 minute respawn cycle, you save 100 seconds per cycle. That means you are saving 3 minutes per hour. To get an extra cycle out of that, you would need to play for 10 hours lol. I am indeed including human limitations. I am not going to pick a Mage on the off chance we play for 10 hours straight.
Don't you dare, you disgusting hypocrite, to say what I was saying as "nonsense".

We've been putting up with your bullshit for so long now.

You know I'm right about the wizard and bard analogy, you pathetic little shit.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:40 PM
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Don't you dare, you disgusting hypocrite, to say what I was saying as "nonsense".

We've been putting up with your bullshit for so long now.

You know I'm right about the wizard and bard analogy, you pathetic little shit.
You probably need to stop posting. You are very angry right now because I disproved another point of yours.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:43 PM
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You probably need to stop posting. You are very angry right now because I disproved another point of yours.
We're all either very angry with you, or find you amusing -- like one would find a village idiot amusing.

Neither of which looks good for you.

So I should get two people in a 6 man exp group to do "mobs on the side" that the other 4 are doing? Genius, DSM! Why didn't we all think of that before?

You didn't disprove anything, child. Keep deceiving yourself.
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:28 PM
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You picking option 2 DSM?
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:34 PM
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3 friends are going hiking, each of them bring something they'll need.

1 friend brings shoes for the 3 of them
1 friend brings walking sticks for the 3 of them
1 friend brings food and water for the 3 of them

2 more friends ask to potentially join them but they can only bring 1.

Option 1 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also GPS, a map, playing cards, and a tent

Option 2 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also a snack that the original 3 are allergic to, and a harmonica that he doesn't know how to play.
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You picking option 2 DSM?
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Old 09-04-2022, 09:46 PM
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3 friends are going hiking, each of them bring something they'll need.

1 friend brings shoes for the 3 of them
1 friend brings walking sticks for the 3 of them
1 friend brings food and water for the 3 of them

2 more friends ask to potentially join them but they can only bring 1.

Option 1 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also GPS, a map, playing cards, and a tent

Option 2 can bring his own shoes, stick, food, and water, but also a snack that the original 3 are allergic to, and a harmonica that he doesn't know how to play.
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You picking option 2 DSM?
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