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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a fucking moron.

2 people that don't share a secret keep it a secret long enough to hit 80+ accounts. That's fucking logical.

2 people that go around sharing illegal duping practices wouldn't be able to dupe as long as rogean suggested they did. Not logical to go around telling people you're exploiting.

You guys froth so hard some times

Ya moran

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're a fucking moron.

2 people that don't share a secret keep it a secret long enough to hit 80+ accounts. That's fucking logical.

2 people that go around sharing illegal duping practices wouldn't be able to dupe as long as rogean suggested they did. Not logical to go around telling people you're exploiting.

You guys froth so hard some times

I'm not frothing and you are the moron for believing the "Company line" that is fed to you after people are busted for exploiting. I have said repeatedly I feel bad for the innocent people in this. But friends who share accounts with each other don't keep exploits to themselves. Especially if they are a pretty tight knit group of friends. Tight knit enough to share accounts etc. It's just infantile to believe that people are sharing 86 accounts with 2 people, but of all those people sharing accounts this exploit stayed with 2 people in the guild only knowing about it. That is truly moronic thinking on your part. Now please crawl back in your rants and flames hole. People here actually use logic instead of mindless, thoughtless ranting.

[Vandy]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raid Scene
It continues to be an aggravating realization among CSR staff that 10% of the server population causes 90% of the problems. We are all for competition, but it needs to be fair competition. We are also all here for the same thing, to experience classic Everquest. The same guild monopolizing raid content for 2 years that they might not even need anymore is ridiculous, just to block other guilds from the chance of gearing up to take on the same end game content.

I was thinking to myself the other day and I came to ask myself.. Are we providing this server to give people the arena to compete to such bitter extremes that it has resorted to taking every absolute measure to be victorious, or are we here to provide a classic Everquest experience for everyone to enjoy?

A lot of you make fun of it in your own terms, but it really does come down to fighting over very old content.

Either way, we're tired of the constant bickering, the training, the ninja looting, and all the other bullshit that's going on. So here's what we're going to do.

Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating eachother. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Don't think that this means you can continue shitting on each other and just not petition, the staff will still be watching.

I would like to request the complete removal of RnF. It contributes just as much to the shit show. If people want to rant and flame let them do it on their guild forums. Maybe we could make and poll.

[Uteunayr]

Thank you for the completely fair approach to this situation. You were clear that 86 of the 100+ accounts used to cheat were from a single guild, and that the account owners themselves were not necessarily cheating. You made it clear that the rule is that you are responsible for who you let onto your account, and so the actions against the accounts, rather than the players, are justified. You dealt massive collateral damage because people at one time or another trusted someone with their account who they shouldn't have, and that is entirely fair. Those who did this, but were not necessarily involved are being treated leniently, and they, as well as everyone else, will be more careful in who they share their account with in the future.

[Merchants of Qeynos]

Thanks STAFF! Is a great day for P99! The people of Qeynos thank you!

[DrKvothe]

Just to be clear, it is the argument of those complaining about this decision that it was 2 individuals only? These two individuals performed the unforgivable exploit on each of these accounts without the knowledge of others within the guild, even those who actually own the accounts? They didn't just use the accounts for various in-game activities, they actually used the exploit on these accounts, correct?

I wonder how many of the 20 non-TMO tagged accounts actually belong to TMO members?

Some might argue that it's unfair to the rest of the server that the GMs allowed your guild to remain intact after this unprecedentedly massive and outrageous breach in server policy. Especially with velious around the corner and a significant portion of content for everyone depending largely on your future good behavior.

[heazels]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to be clear, it is the argument of those complaining about this decision that it was 2 individuals only? These two individuals performed the unforgivable exploit on each of these accounts without the knowledge of others within the guild, even those who actually own the accounts? They didn't just use the accounts for various in-game activities, they actually used the exploit on these accounts, correct?

I wonder how many of the 20 non-TMO tagged accounts actually belong to TMO members?

Some might argue that it's unfair to the rest of the server that the GMs allowed your guild to remain intact after this unprecedentedly massive and outrageous breach in server policy. Especially with velious around the corner and a significant portion of content for everyone depending largely on your future good behavior.

The accounts may have been purchased with the exploit. who knows. Most of them may not even have real owners

[kbnexus]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to be clear, it is the argument of those complaining about this decision that it was 2 individuals only? These two individuals performed the unforgivable exploit on each of these accounts without the knowledge of others within the guild, even those who actually own the accounts? They didn't just use the accounts for various in-game activities, they actually used the exploit on these accounts, correct?

I wonder how many of the 20 non-TMO tagged accounts actually belong to TMO members?

Some might argue that it's unfair to the rest of the server that the GMs allowed your guild to remain intact after this unprecedentedly massive and outrageous breach in server policy. Especially with velious around the corner and a significant portion of content for everyone depending largely on your future good behavior.

See massive SEQ use. BDA had a very high amount of SEQ users. BDA wasnt banned IB wasnt banned just the offenders were suspended and de-leveled.

This scale has precedence in the past however TMO was very low on the SEQ percentage list, so we couldnt be targeted.

[Dantragg]

I am not in TMO at all , nor affiliated with TMO in any aspect . My account was banned because one of the people listed took my char while I was at work to get a peggy cloak.

**I think **
Could have been another reason i.e. I used to sell in the tunnel and I could have sold a duped item..

I won't know until I get the chance to speak to a GM.

I met a guy and talked to him in RL and developed a friendship I was never hardcore enough to get to 60 so I never tried to join TMO.

I hope it all gets sorted out ... but as many have stated I am responsible because I gave my account info.


I will let you guys know how it shames out.

[Rararboker]

Well seeing as how this subject hasn't been covered in ... 17 pages, what was the exploit anyway?