OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[phacemeltar]

Raid leaders FFA duel in arena, once per raid target, to determine who gets first shot. If group wipes, second-to-last man-standing gets a go.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems two major factions have two different ideas.

Seems the 2 factions your looking at are Raiders and non raiders. Non raiders meaning they expect mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it.
You really expect a full on forum agreement between people who want to raid and people who are casual and want a rotation?
These forums are full of trolls an people who do not even care if anyone raids. So expect to see some dislike. I am guessing once the small kinks are worked out that this plan is the best out there. An will be accepted.

[Frieza_Prexus]

We're quickly approaching a point where there is no "zone of agreement."

Too many people are going to pull in different directions and there will soon be no solution that is acceptable to all parties. We're looking at another UNCLOS or the 1979 Moon Treaty.

[Yinikren]

We don't want a gamed system that hands you guys mobs 3/4 of the time. That's not an improvement over the shit we've dealt with the last two years .

One week on, one week off makes this system bearable. Variance still screws people each week.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non raiders meaning they expect mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it.

A lot of the "non raiders" seemed to support a bag limit, which did not imply an expectation of mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it at all. It implied guilds make better decisions about which mobs they really needed and allocate their quotas for the month accordingly, with full competition the way the raiders like.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're quickly approaching a point where there is no "zone of agreement."

Too many people are going to pull in different directions and there will soon be no solution that is acceptable to all parties. We're looking at another UNCLOS or the 1979 Moon Treaty.

I think once everyone is on the same terms (not being able to raid) perhaps we will see something more agreeable.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you suggesting that two guilds which raid together are just going to vote for their partner guild to be sanctioned?

If you seriously believe IB or FE would approve of the other breaking the rules JUST because of the raiding relationship theyve had then I think you should probably re-tag to Tinfoil Hats.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of the "non raiders" seemed to support a bag limit, which did not imply an expectation of mob A up at a set time so they can log in to kill it at all. It implied guilds make better decisions about which mobs they really needed and allocate their quotas for the month accordingly, with full competition the way the raiders like.

Im more in favor of this. points systems have been suggested and I think they are by far still the best ideas. Everyone that wants "competition" still gets it. And the smaller guilds don't get ground into the dirt.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think the system as presented is reasonably fair, but I think it is a bit complex which poses a problem to its longevity. A straight-up hands off 7 days (excluding vp) would likely be much easier to implement.

Any guilds that raid together for a mob more than, say 3 times for any reason, in a 90 day period will be treated as 1 guild for the following 90 days. They will shuffle their representatives and be given a single vote in any decisions.

A guild should be a major guild if it takes a certain # of targets in a month OR it kills a VP dragon which makes it major for a certain amount of time.

Agreed. Hope some things are changed but it is sounding good. I believe it should be a VP kill not attempt. Also they have added Inny it looks like to the list of freebies? So theres another good step for the casuals. Hands off 7 days on all mobs for sure. Maybe even throw in 1 free VP dragon each month? they could push for that too. That is a hell of a proposal and a big compromise from before.
FULL blown rotation is not going to happen people, please be reasonable.

[Yinikren]

Again, proponent for a bag limit/point system. Read my thread. Its the most unbiased solution out there, which means only FE and TMO don't like it. It even has endorsement from members of IB.