Noble Dojorn Timers

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If we can suppose for a moment that the agreement is still standing

There was a presupposition. Obviously it is not still in effect or we'd have Nobles.

[Splorf22]

Simply put, there is no stick here. Taken, IB, and TMO have proven that they don't mind sitting on the spawn point spamming for FTE. And Noble is not on variance, so its not nearly as bad as most.

Meanwhile the carrot has not really materialized, and that's what has me so sad about this whole business. We were about to get 3+ OOAs up which is when we would really start to flood the server with nobles.

[-Catherin-]

I think one of the things that needs to happen before we can get back to this is that every guild needs to share in this equally. we had several guilds rotating spawns but then several other guilds that would not take part and only kill nobles on their day, and other guilds days as well.

if everyone shared equally in the rotation, then they would share equally in the fallout should someone decide to kill the overseers again. This would discourage them from doing so themselves if they actually shared in the collateral with the rest of us that were trying to rotate them.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think one of the things that needs to happen before we can get back to this is that every guild needs to share in this equally. we had several guilds rotating spawns but then several other guilds that would not take part and only kill nobles on their day, and other guilds days as well.

if everyone shared equally in the rotation, then they would share equally in the fallout should someone decide to kill the overseers again. This would discourage them from doing so themselves if they actually shared in the collateral with the rest of us that were trying to rotate them.

Because sharing everything else on the server has worked our so well.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because sharing everything else on the server has worked our so well.

I know its probably a pipe dream Chest. Just stating what probably would need to happen if there is to be any real hope of this working.

Im not holding my breath on the C/R/FFA thing

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know its probably a pipe dream Chest. Just stating what probably would need to happen if there is to be any real hope of this working.

Im not holding my breath on the C/R/FFA thing

It's absolutely a pipe dream. Unless there's an enforceable policy there never going to be anything to stop a defector from smashing any player made agreement to bits.

[bktroost]

That being said if TMO and IB both posted it was a misunderstanding right now would we all be willing to go back to the old system? We can discuss our noble issues internally with BDA and Taken ect. But for the good of the server we can all agree that what we had is better than FTE clickfesting.

[Ella`Ella]

There was no misunderstanding. TMO and FE were both forbidden from Noble when they were suspended in the past thus, Noble should have continued to be forbidden during a raid suspension as previous precedent had evidenced. Noble has FTE shouts, is still contested even on YNYD at times and requires a large enough force to down. With these three metrics in place, there is no way you can manipulate Noble into NOT being a raid target.

Noble is still a contested raid target with the only exception that there is a player agreement to leave Overseers up. TMO didn't go after Tuesday's Noble as an act of aggression, that's simply a means to justify by the offending parties. TMO went after a contested raid target when it spawned while a guild that was raid suspended was in the zone - it's nothing more black and white than that - as any other guild was welcome to contest this open spawn.

Retaliation by clearing the rest of the overseers which damages the community as a whole is an act of aggression from both parties; IB (again, during a raid suspension against a 'raid target') and Taken. Killing these was not only a violation of a raid suspension by IB but it was also a spiteful attack on the server by cheating the other guilds of 3 more nobles during the week.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was no misunderstanding. TMO and FE were both forbidden from Noble when they were suspended in the past thus, Noble should have continued to be forbidden during a raid suspension as previous precedent had evidenced. Noble has FTE shouts, is still contested even on YNYD at times and requires a large enough force to down. With these three metrics in place, there is no way you can manipulate Noble into NOT being a raid target.

Noble is still a contested raid target with the only exception that there is a player agreement to leave Overseers up. TMO didn't go after Tuesday's Noble as an act of aggression, that's simply a means to justify by the offending parties. TMO went after a contested raid target when it spawned while a guild that was raid suspended was in the zone - it's nothing more black and white than that - as any other guild was welcome to contest this open spawn.

Retaliation by clearing the rest of the overseers which damages the community as a whole is an act of aggression from both parties; IB (again, during a raid suspension against a 'raid target') and Taken. Killing these was not only a violation of a raid suspension by IB but it was also a spiteful attack on the server by cheating the other guilds of 3 more nobles during the week.

TMO is clearly the only innocent one in this situation.

/sarcasm

id rather this not escalate but this was pretty ridiculous.

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was no misunderstanding. TMO and FE were both forbidden from Noble when they were suspended in the past thus, Noble should have continued to be forbidden during a raid suspension as previous precedent had evidenced. Noble has FTE shouts, is still contested even on YNYD at times and requires a large enough force to down. With these three metrics in place, there is no way you can manipulate Noble into NOT being a raid target.

Noble is still a contested raid target with the only exception that there is a player agreement to leave Overseers up. TMO didn't go after Tuesday's Noble as an act of aggression, that's simply a means to justify by the offending parties. TMO went after a contested raid target when it spawned while a guild that was raid suspended was in the zone - it's nothing more black and white than that - as any other guild was welcome to contest this open spawn.

Retaliation by clearing the rest of the overseers which damages the community as a whole is an act of aggression from both parties; IB (again, during a raid suspension against a 'raid target') and Taken. Killing these was not only a violation of a raid suspension by IB but it was also a spiteful attack on the server by cheating the other guilds of 3 more nobles during the week.

I 100% agree with you that these mobs are raid targets, however, they are NOT given any consideration as so by the GMs. They are not on the 1/1/1 system and are when we got suspended I was told by Sirken that Sky mobs are good to go! Which, I firmly believe, should include Noble, OOAs and HoV. These mobs should NOT be just a regular mob and SHOULD be added be given the weight they deserve. However, they are not. Which is why IB got pissed that you guys came up to capitalize on "their Noble" even though they were in suspension... because technically they can still kill it according to previous GM suspension rules.