Alternatives to variance to increase competition (veterans and relevant only)

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go!

[Kergan]

Well you could start by...

Oh wait you said veterans and relevant people.

[Mac Drettj]

Let's bump all your variance threads

#madbadsad

[Elderan]

There can and will never be guild 1a 1b 1c on this server. Everquest was never meant for that. There will only ever be one top guild at any given time due to the nature of Everquest. Once people accept that then this server can have guild #2 and maybe #3 for sustained periods of time.

For example, Taken knows they are not on TMOs level. Yet they accept their tier #2 guild on blue and get what they can and sustain.

Once a guild sets their sights on top guild the guild will either succeed or crumble, there is no in between.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There can and will never be guild 1a 1b 1c on this server. Everquest was never meant for that. There will only ever be one top guild at any given time due to the nature of Everquest. Once people accept that then this server can have guild #2 and maybe #3 for sustained periods of time.

For example, Taken knows they are not on TMOs level. Yet they accept their tier #2 guild on blue and get what they can and sustain.

Once a guild sets their sights on top guild the guild will either succeed or crumble, there is no in between.

Considering mobs are static, you're saying Nihilum will get all raid targets, and guild B) can go for planar trash and epic pieces not controlled by raid content.

Interesting, I like that plan - it's like blue except you don't have to poopsock.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering mobs are static, you're saying Nihilum will get all raid targets, and guild B) can go for planar trash and epic pieces not controlled by raid content.

Interesting, I like that plan - it's like blue except you don't have to poopsock.

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap. Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap. Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

Yeah maybe, but I think you were more qualified and tried twice and gave up both times fairly fast.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah maybe, but I think you were more qualified and tried twice and gave up both times fairly fast.

He also had success, and if you don't think the exp thing fucked RD you're just being contrary. HB might have thrown some failed hail mary's at the end, but people put too much blame on those decisions. RD was already circling the drain at that point.

Efforts to increase population are required to build competition. Fucking with the raid scene does nothing to increase population. You have to walk before you can run. What this server needs is a landing net for new players. Nihilum doesn't put much effort into that scene, we've never had to. The opportunity is there, RD took advantage and even Hokuten is a little bit.

There are only 2 reasonable scenarios where this server has 2 competitive guilds: organically grown utilizing an increase in players starting here, or Nihilum cracking in half.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Today was a pretty good example of how the fault lies with the competition not the rules. We had mid 20's for CT and wiped a couple of times to trains and people fuckin around. Any force of even 20 people could have shown up and shit on us. There was also mob overlap. Mobs could have been sniped. Instead the only competing took place on the forums. Perhaps if you created a positive guild built on progression and not on being mad anti nilly haters, you could have done something today.

This is a false statement in every way possible. 20 people could show up, in which the 22-25 present would camp out their dead characters, log on any 20-25 of their alts who are still better geared then the 20 coming to contest, and easily wreck the raid before another guild could buff, clear, engage. Not to mention at the slightly sign of contesting a bat phone goes out and that number doubles.

This is precisely why Azrael stopped winning PVP fights. Azrael player for player was better at PVP then Nihilum and the last 2 fights the numbers were close enough. 52-48 or so. But Checkraise dies, Ricardo appears, who dies, Selena appears. Or someone else camps them in. There isn't an end to the number of available 60s at nihilums disposal or people to play them, where as Azrael had to stretcher pretty far to obtain 48 people most of which were playing someone elses character.

Hell just looking at the leaderboard. Server population never crosses 250, yet over 1000 people appear on those boards. Thats why the game is Zerg oriented. Numbers win. Strategy isnt important in 90% of the zones. Nihilum has no shortage of numbers, or people willing to show up / join up.

Tldr = Server wipe, nihilum has too many available, geared 60s for anyone to compete.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Quiet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server population never crosses 250, yet over 1000 people appear on those boards.

That actually sounds low to me. That means at peak times 1/4 of the people that have logged in within the last month are all on at that time. That actually points towards people not playing that many different characters in my opinion.

Maybe people just play more than I realize.