Feminism today

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to argue there's not some "rape culture" in America when a third of a college student body are ok with rape when if they don't get caught.

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[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't forumquest that hard so not knowing if you are a woman au natural or one of these P99 'women' makes it difficult to weigh your opinion in these discussions.

I'm used to people here questioning this for many reasons -- I've never worried much about expressing my opinions (here or anywhere else) - no matter how unpopular it is or how many insults I get in reply [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.], I have a rather dominant personality, a fairly vulgar sense of humor, and I enjoy the company of p99 forum nerds and playing EverQuest -- but I really am, in fact, a girl (also a wife and mother of one child), who is more ladylike in real life than people here might expect. Also, there are more of us hanging around here than you guys know.

Anyway. I hope that helps you weigh my opinion on modern feminism in the proper context. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the person on the other side can't even use "you're" correctly, my assumptions about being correct aren't entirely off base.

Yeah, that "your" was my phone being illiterate. Didn't you use the wrong term for genetic expression and then defend your improper use of it? Hm. I think YOU'RE lacking a point and YOU'RE knit-picking in an attempt to feel right, breh.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that Samus started as a relatively unsexualised space bounty hunter that turned out to be female. It makes me sad that they sexualised her later.

I mean in smash brothers her super special move is literally stripping off.

It was decided that samus was female from the get-go. However, being overly sensitive and politically correct simply doesnt work in this instance. Having a character that looks like the average american female wouldnt work. A fat person wouldnt be able to do flips, run around, or do any of the other physical activities that samus does. It just wouldnt work.


This might soothe your nerves.



#REALWOMENHAVECURVES

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[haksum]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Granted that's just college students from one college, but we're talking about a third of them! And this isn't some old survey from the 50's, it just happened!

It's hard to argue there's not some "rape culture" in America when a third of a college student body are ok with rape when if they don't get caught.

Do you overgeneralize everything this grossly? That's one small ass student body for a college (assuming they are all from the same college because it doesn't state they were) and sounds like a terrible survey. Anything that starts with only 'according to a survey' is usually bullshit and shouldn't be used as evidence for anything. MAYBE if it started out with 'according to a survey (written/spoken?) conducted in 2014 on 73 male students at so-and-so university between the ages of x-y in details, details, details.." but then still, who knows who selected these candidates? For all we know they meticulously picked the muscle head steroid abusing future wife beaters of America club at a some southern I fuck my sister because she's easy hick trade school to fit their agenda.

This could also be easily be torn apart on the usage of the word 'force' as well on account of its ambiguity. Is it physical force, persuasive force, or magical force?(I don't know if they surveyed the college D&D club). How many nerds don't think that they would 'force' Scarjo to sleep with them if they had Charm or Puppet Strings? Some probably wouldn't do it in the end but it sure sounded like a fun idea when they were doing this survey.


And if whatever academic institution you attended taught that Wikipedia is an acceptable source for anything, you need to call and demand a refund. I'm sure there's other terrible references, but this one just caught my eye while skimming.

Originally Posted by Sidelle

I'm used to people here questioning this for many reasons -- I've never worried much about expressing my opinions (here or anywhere else) - no matter how unpopular it is or how many insults I get in reply , I have a rather dominant personality, a fairly vulgar sense of humor, and I enjoy the company of p99 forum nerds and playing EverQuest -- but I really am, in fact, a girl (also a wife and mother of one child), who is more ladylike in real life than people here might expect. Also, there are more of us hanging around here than you guys know.

Anyway. I hope that helps you weigh my opinion on modern feminism in the proper context.

Personality aside, I was just asking for contextual reference. Someone that has been a woman, and treated as a woman, their entire life will have different factors in the development of their view than someone raised as a boy until their early teens when they decided to embrace their femininity.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it physical force, persuasive force, or magical force?(I don't know if they surveyed the college D&D club).

Get ready to fail your sense motive checks, ladies, I've been stacking diplomacy on my rogue since lvl 1 ^.~

[loramin]

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you overgeneralize everything this grossly? That's one small ass student body for a college (assuming they are all from the same college because it doesn't state they were) and sounds like a terrible survey. Anything that starts with only 'according to a survey' is usually bullshit and shouldn't be used as evidence for anything. MAYBE if it started out with 'according to a survey (written/spoken?) conducted in 2014 on 73 male students at so-and-so university between the ages of x-y in details, details, details.." but then still, who knows who selected these candidates? For all we know they meticulously picked the muscle head steroid abusing future wife beaters of America club at a some southern I fuck my sister because she's easy hick trade school to fit their agenda.

This could also be easily be torn apart on the usage of the word 'force' as well on account of its ambiguity. Is it physical force, persuasive force, or magical force?(I don't know if they surveyed the college D&D club). How many nerds don't think that they would 'force' Scarjo to sleep with them if they had Charm or Puppet Strings? Some probably wouldn't do it in the end but it sure sounded like a fun idea when they were doing this survey.

Ok, I can understand the "I can't deal with the message so I'll shoot the messenger" vibe, but "magic force"? I'm pretty certain when men said they'd force women to have sex they weren't talking about Puppet Strings [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But ok fine, let's leave that survey out since you dislike it so much. Here's a fact that's backed up by several different studies (so you can't just attack one in particular): 1 in 5 or 1 in 6 (depending on the study) women in America will experience a rape or attempted rape and report it in the study. Obviously we can't even measure the ones that don't report it, although many women don't.

Now look, it takes A LOT of men to rape 1 in 5/6 women in America (even if some of those men commit multiple rapes). It's hard for me to see how there could be that many men willing and able to commit rape if there's absolutely no "rape culture" in America.

Originally Posted by haksum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if whatever academic institution you attended taught that Wikipedia is an acceptable source for anything, you need to call and demand a refund. I'm sure there's other terrible references, but this one just caught my eye while skimming.

Again with the shooting the messenger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Look you didn't even need to go to the wikipedia page itself, just read the part I quoted:

Using Current Population Survey (CPS) data for 1979 and 1995 and controlling for education, experience, personal characteristics, parental status, city and region, occupation, industry, government employment, and part-time status, Yale University economics professor Joseph G. Altonji and the United States Secretary of Commerce Rebecca M. Blank found that only about 27% of the gender wage gap in each year is explained by differences in such characteristics.

We're not talking about some bogus study that some idiot pasted in to Wikipedia without any scrutiny, we're talking about a study conducted by an econ (not women's studies!) professor at Yale and the US Secretary of Commerce. I don't know how much more "official" of a study I can find for you.

[Formshifter]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're not talking about some bogus study that some idiot pasted in to Wikipedia without any scrutiny, we're talking about a study conducted by an econ (not women's studies!) professor at Yale and the US Secretary of Commerce. I don't know how much more "official" of a study I can find for you.

But how can you possibly trust the oppressive patriarchy?? Maybe their study was intended to convey false information to keep feminists in the dark as a systemic way of oppressing them?!

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that Samus started as a relatively unsexualised space bounty hunter that turned out to be female. It makes me sad that they sexualised her later.

I mean in smash brothers her super special move is literally stripping off.

I agree. The first step should be desexualizing all video game characters. Then after the have that under control they can remove graphic violence from video games. Games that have graphic violent images have been proven to increase societal violence.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree. The first step should be desexualizing all video game characters. Then after the have that under control they can remove graphic violence from video games. Games that have graphic violent images have been proven to increase societal violence.

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