Rules Decent Players should abide by...

[theaetatus]

People aren't being 'shut up from getting usable gear', they have the same random chance of getting said usable gear as anyone else in the group. They also have the chance to get non-useable gear to sell to buy themselves some gear.

It works both ways... Sure, a newbie monk might miss out on a tstaff but a newbie cleric might win a tstaff over a monk with fungi/cof/epic/sos who would otherwise claim NBG.

Random is a fairer system and also a much harder system to abuse. NBG makes no sense.

[Lionsfan616]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole mr neck thing is a strawman...

there is a big difference between an epic'd rogue in mm demanding a roll on a midnight cape and an epic'd rogue in seb demanding a roll on hiero cloak.

Many of us posting here are approaching NBG from the position of having played multiple chars to max level with the majority of people we play with having done the same. Many of us don't play our mains unless we are raiding. Many of us don't even consider a single char to be their main anymore. For us, the whole paradigm of NBG totally breaks down because there is no way to determine "need" in a fair way in the places we are grouping and the people we are grouping with. The solution, for us, is to really roll everything.

I guess that sounds heartless to the guy who just started a month ago and is losing NBG rolls in mistmoore. Its not. We're almost playing two different games. Most of us just pass on that stuff in those situations because we know that someone in group would actually need the item.

Most of the folks I know routinely give away items, buff, help with CRs, answer questions for folks, etc. Calling them indecent because they have rationally concluded that NBG is the fairest way to distribute loot in the places they are playing is just inaccurate.

The struggle is real for those of us who just learned that this server exists...

[Tiewon Shu]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reading over this thread has convinced me that this servers biggest problem are the nerds who take this game way too seriously.

If you are on the forums legit arguing about people's rights to pixels you need to take a fuckin break.

Come back when you want to play a game and have fun. EQ is a poor place to give your life meaning.

[Deckk]

Eh. If I'm in a "random loot" group and I win an item I have no use for and someone in group really wants it, they can have it. A few plat ain't worth it. But if someone is twinked out, perhaps I don't have the same form of empathy, even if the item is an upgrade. Who knows.

[Clark]

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People aren't being 'shut up from getting usable gear', they have the same random chance of getting said usable gear as anyone else in the group. They also have the chance to get non-useable gear to sell to buy themselves some gear.

It works both ways... Sure, a newbie monk might miss out on a tstaff but a newbie cleric might win a tstaff over a monk with fungi/cof/epic/sos who would otherwise claim NBG.

Random is a fairer system and also a much harder system to abuse. NBG makes no sense.

[Llodd]

Ofc, nbg will never make sense to most ppl on this server and furthermore it cant be explained to them.

[slappytwotoes]

Love how newbies join a 6 year old server and start telling everyone how to be decent players

[Swish]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Love how newbies join a 6 year old server and start telling everyone how to be decent players

They haven't been camp lawyered yet, give them time.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Llodd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ofc, nbg will never make sense to most ppl on this server and furthermore it cant be explained to them.

You sir, are a poor mindreader, nor are you well skilled at snark.

NBG makes sense allright. Sadly, NBG it fails because it is so easily abused that the greedheads cannot resist and this server is well salted with greedheads. This unfortunate reality inevitably leads thoughtful players to fall back on /random unless there is good reason to do otherwise. So, for instance, ordinary gem and common loot drops (i.e. stuff worth 100-200pp) in Old Seb are typically alpha-rotated rather than /randomed. Depending on the guild, guild groups are often NBG or even put together for the specific purpose of getting particular gear for particular characters. There are plenty of examples when NBG happens, but none of them include rare and highly valuable items that drop for random_pug_1337.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by slappytwotoes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Love how newbies join a 6 year old server and start telling everyone how to be decent players

Yeah it's a pretty complex topic that requires years of study.