The Common Man's NToV Raid Rules Thread

[arsenalpow]

Rogean came from a competitive raid scene server, he sets the rules, Sirken merely enforces his wishes. Rogean has no interest in a "first in force" rule set so he'd never decree it. The only work around to this would be if all the guilds got together and agreed on a rule set, however I don't see Rampage hamstringing their pixel intake unnecessarily for the good of the server.

[JboxCSU]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can sit your X people at ToV entrance, claim Aaryonar, and afk + petition guilds getting FTE on him?

He's just laying the foundation, there would be holes to plug. I wouldn't be a fan of FiF in zone, but more of a proponent of FiF near the raid target, or a known/safe pull spot of the target.

Things like # of attempts, time to engage from claim, etc can be worked out.

Honestly FiF is the best idea I've seen...

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you can sit your X people at ToV entrance, claim Aaryonar, and afk + petition guilds getting FTE on him?

TBH, I'm not sure how well First in Force would work in zones like sleepers and ToV, and I'm not sure how guilds normally divide NToV. Is it usually 1 guild takes all of NToV or do guilds leapfrog each other?

I'm fine with just saying that NToV + sleepers remain FTE.

If one pop of NToV is typically cleared by several guilds, then first in force would not make much sense to put in place. But if NToV is usually only raided by 1 guild at a time (guilds do not actively leapfrog each other), then FIF would work fine.

Yes. a guild could sit at IZ and claim NToV/Specific targets within NToV if necessary.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean came from a competitive raid scene server, he sets the rules, Sirken merely enforces his wishes. Rogean has no interest in a "first in force" rule set so he'd never decree it. The only work around to this would be if all the guilds got together and agreed on a rule set, however I don't see Rampage hamstringing their pixel intake unnecessarily for the good of the server.

Totally. Hehe. I'm not coming in here and throwing my dick on the table so to speak. I'm just advocating for a rule that I think would work better for more guilds than FTE.

[Juevento]

FYI - This thread was meant for non-Officer RnF enabled folks. Chest, please kindly take your bourgeoisie ass elsewhere.

[arsenalpow]

Sadly, Regular RnF is more reasonable than Officer RnF.

[Rararboker]

@maestrom= there is no division of ntov. Everyone scrambles to leapfrog or pull a mob first. It can be a md house. But until the last 2-3 weeks it has only been forsaken and rampage on 90% of the mobs. So trains were minimal and only happened occasionally. When they did, the responsble guild conceded on the mob.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sadly, Regular RnF is more reasonable than Officer RnF.

While we have you, How does NToV usually get divied up? Aary's kind of a but because (correct me if I'm wrong) its not really possible to get to the other bosses in NToV without killing him.

So I'm imagining a situation where Filthy_Casual_Guild has gotten FIF and wants Aary only because they can't really handle the bigger baddies. If NToV is usually cleared by one guild, its fine to make Aary part of NToV completely and just say that NToV itself is a "target".

I imagine West and HoT are typically cleared by 1 guild, but if they're split up someone can correct me. So FIF would work just fine. 3 targets in ToV. North, West, and HoT. FIF gets its choice, next gets its choice, 3rd guild gets whatever is left.

[Fanguru]

Every guild who can muster a 50+ people force can kill Aaryonar in NToV, especially with the alliances.
Once Aary is dead, most dragons in NToV are easier.
We had huge train issues because 5 guilds were competing for NToV mobs and there aren't 5 safe spots.

After Aary, there is leapfrogging all over the place.
The slimiest tactic used so far (afaik) was aggroing Vulaak (ie: all nameds are summoned to him) after another guild killed Kreizen's guards and picking Kreizen off when he was pathing back.

[maestrom]

Originally Posted by Rararboker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@maestrom= there is no division of ntov. Everyone scrambles to leapfrog or pull a mob first. It can be a md house. But until the last 2-3 weeks it has only been forsaken and rampage on 90% of the mobs. So trains were minimal and only happened occasionally. When they did, the responsble guild conceded on the mob.

If this is the case, its probably best to leave NToV and Sleepers as FTE. I think that, generally, FIF is a better system, but it would be easy to imagine a situation where Guild A claims Aary and then sits there until 4am before engaging.

I am NOT a fan of time limits on engage/wipes. The point of FIF is to encourage guilds that don't want to participate in the FTE grieffest to get to raiding. to put FIF in place and then to give them only 1 shot at a target or to say that they only have 20 minutes to execute their plan would be a little unfair.