@Sirken "a fair and legitimate chance at that target"

[Legday]

We're willing to work with you guys. Don't bring the underdog in a holy war mentality with you, though.

CSG and Rustle have been around a long time. Follow their lead.

There were some big time mobs in that offer, and most of others were FFA if you guys were interested in trying to go from a good haul to a great one.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys temple sit golems. What was that about no lives?

didn't you use to be a forum moderator?

[saujee]

Ella Ella I have seen good guilds break up and good people fall apart and joining the top guilds due to attitude towards the server like yours.
And this is why I made this thread. To ask if there is another way we can do this other than having to race.
AM and AW are great guilds and they deserve the credit. But it has gotten to the point where they are too good, too strong and have too much influence on the server and people HAVE to join their guild if they want to see any end game pixels and people like you saying other guilds are not entitled to anything.

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that. I should not be pressured into joining AM and AW who have the advantage of winning races with their numbers and better gear to reach my end game goals and leave my good friends behind and only making them stronger.

And if I did join them the end game velious content will be too easy with no sense of progression because they have been farming that stuff for months/years already.

Newer guilds do not stand a chance when racing these guys and therefore blocked.

Should I just stop and join them?

[Nexii]

Originally Posted by saujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ella Ella I have seen good guilds break up and good people fall apart and joining the top guilds due to attitude towards the server like yours.
And this is why I made this thread. To ask if there is another way we can do this other than having to race.
AM and AW are great guilds and they deserve the credit. But it has gotten to the point where they are too good, too strong and have too much influence on the server and people HAVE to join their guild if they want to see any end game pixels and people like you saying other guilds are not entitled to anything.

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that. I should not be pressured into joining AM and AW who have the advantage of winning races with their numbers and better gear to reach my end game goals and leave my good friends behind and only making them stronger.

And if I did join them the end game velious content will be too easy with no sense of progression because they have been farming that stuff for months/years already.

Newer guilds do not stand a chance when racing these guys and therefore blocked.

Should I just stop and join them?

So suggest something. What's your proposed alternative?

[dafier]

Originally Posted by saujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that.

Should I just stop and join them?

You answered your own question.

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We're willing to work with you guys. Don't bring the underdog in a holy war mentality with you, though.

CSG and Rustle have been around a long time. Follow their lead.

There were some big time mobs in that offer, and most of others were FFA if you guys were interested in trying to go from a good haul to a great one.

Willing to work with us? AM wanted ffa and they got what they wanted. They would have found a reason eventually to get what they wanted. They went from 12 mobs last agreement to 25 mobs this agreement (proposed), what would it be in the future? 40? all of them? When is it enough?

You may get CSG and Rustle to bend over and take whatever lessening scraps they can get each time. We will just choose to sit it out and let the server see how greedy AM continues to be. You've lost all sympathy on my part in having to deal with AW on a weekly basis. You two deserve each other.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by saujee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ella Ella I have seen good guilds break up and good people fall apart and joining the top guilds due to attitude towards the server like yours.
And this is why I made this thread. To ask if there is another way we can do this other than having to race.
AM and AW are great guilds and they deserve the credit. But it has gotten to the point where they are too good, too strong and have too much influence on the server and people HAVE to join their guild if they want to see any end game pixels and people like you saying other guilds are not entitled to anything.

In my opinion and from my personal perspective it should not have to be like that. I should not be pressured into joining AM and AW who have the advantage of winning races with their numbers and better gear to reach my end game goals and leave my good friends behind and only making them stronger.

And if I did join them the end game velious content will be too easy with no sense of progression because they have been farming that stuff for months/years already.

Newer guilds do not stand a chance when racing these guys and therefore blocked.

Should I just stop and join them?

Back to this, whatever the method of competing for mobs is, there is always going to be 1 or 2 guilds like Aftermath and Awakened that figure out how to do it really well really quickly and leave the other guilds, who may be capable of killing them mob too, well behind the play.

Every time the rules have changed this has happened. Only solutions are enforced rotation or a lot more mobs spawning via Earthquake, reduced respawn timers & variance, etc.

These are facts.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by paroxysmal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Willing to work with us? AM wanted ffa and they got what they wanted. They would have found a reason eventually to get what they wanted. They went from 12 mobs last agreement to 25 mobs this agreement (proposed), what would it be in the future? 40? all of them? When is it enough?

You may get CSG and Rustle to bend over and take whatever lessening scraps they can get each time. We will just choose to sit it out and let the server see how greedy AM continues to be. You've lost all sympathy on my part in having to deal with AW on a weekly basis. You two deserve each other.

You're just jumping to conclusions here. I'm not going to say much else because it appears to be over-provoking you, but if you trust that we aren't all that bad it might work out for you guys in the long run.

[saujee]

Originally Posted by Nexii [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So suggest something. What's your proposed alternative?

I do not have an alternative, I made this thread to see if we can brainstorm something up which is why I put @Sirken on it.

He is the man.

[paroxysmal]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're just jumping to conclusions here. I'm not going to say much else because it appears to be over-provoking you, but if you trust that we aren't all that bad it might work out for you guys in the long run.

I think the best idea I've come up with so far is some sort of a Bag Limit. Each guild or alliance has a set # per expac, something like 10 (velious)/2(kunark)/1(classic ct/draco/inny/nag/vox)

Just have to keep the top players honest and create punishments for forming separate guilds for alts to get more than their allotment.

This causes the top tier guilds to be selective in what they go after and leaves enough content for the casuals as well.