50's SK Gear Advice

[Samoht]

Another post from DSM that does nothing but sling mud with nothing to back it up, sigh.

I'm sorry you spent so much time acquiring the shawl on multiple characters and now you have to come here to defend your terrible decisions.

Consensus among players actually good at this game though agrees that it sucks. Shawl isn't good until 8, and we won't get that here.

You should have gotten a choker on your shaman instead.

Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Another post from DSM that does nothing but sling mud with nothing to back it up, sigh.

I'm sorry you spent so much time acquiring the shawl on multiple characters and now you have to come here to defend your terrible decisions.

Consensus among players actually good at this game though agrees that it sucks. Shawl isn't good until 8, and we won't get that here.

You should have gotten a choker on your shaman instead.

Hope that helps.

You do know you always start the mud slinging, right?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] The thread histories are quite clear lol. Its a little late to try playing this game. The mud slinging occurs between us because you are incapable of budging on any opinion you have, even when I have proven you wrong and the majority of posters agree with me. I will happily talk to you in a more civil manner if you can act like a normal human being who can accept when they are not right all the time. You may end up learning something new about a 20 year old elf sim.

Don't be sorry, I enjoy the Shawl quest immensly, and may do it again on a third toon for fun. Shawl 7 is the easiest FT 1 piece to get for an SK, as our other options are high tier, high dkp, highly coveted items.

Choker is not better on Shaman unless you have a BiS shoulder piece. It is much easier to get a high stat combo with Shawl 7 + Necklace instead of Choker + Shoulder. Both necklace and shoulder are lower stat items for Shamans, so it doesn't matter too much either way. Choker also has no resists.

[Ennewi]

Duo'd in Skyshrine with a bard trying to get his robe not too long ago and even he had shawl 7, despite the questionable reactions it got from within his own guild. Granted he was every bit the completionist but still, bards have only one(?) other option for flowing thought which requires a doze tear and dedicating a weap/instr slot for it. The later version of charm eats through mana pretty fast; for that reason alone, I also plan to get shawled on one of my bards eventually. Other classes might shrug at it, but they have their pick of FT items to mix and match. Hybrids don't get much in the way of variety there. CT loot is a big DKP dump with multiple classes all vying for the ranged/mask slot. Also, if a version of shawl 8+ ever sees the light of day on here, 7 won't have been a terrible decision.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Duo'd in Skyshrine with a bard trying to get his robe not too long ago and even he had shawl 7, despite the questionable reactions it got from within his own guild. Granted he was every bit the completionist but still, bards have only one(?) other option for flowing thought which requires a doze tear and dedicating a weap/instr slot for it. The later version of charm eats through mana pretty fast; for that reason alone, I also plan to get shawled on one of my bards eventually. Other classes might shrug at it, but they have their pick of FT items to mix and match. Hybrids don't get much in the way of variety there. CT loot is a big DKP dump with multiple classes all vying for the ranged/mask slot. Also, if a version of shawl 8+ ever sees the light of day on here, 7 won't have been a terrible decision.

This is exactly correct!

[Samoht]

Right, Shawl 8 is good. Not 7.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, Shawl 8 is good. Not 7.

Wrong, both are good. You do not have a good opinion on items.

[Samoht]

You can keep posting that I'm wrong, but the reality is that you're just a baddie making a bunch of feel good posts because I'm telling you the gear you're wearing is bad. That doesn't make you right.

That makes you a baddie wearing bad gear.

Your gear decisions fly against the conventional wisdom and established gear standards. The mechanics of this game are known, but you're ignoring them because feelings.

You feel like your gear is good.

I'm sorry for the rude awakening, but it's not. Please quit making gear recommendations.

And you should delete your magelos before anybody else sees them.

Omg so bad.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can keep posting that I'm wrong, but the reality is that you're just a baddie making a bunch of feel good posts because I'm telling you the gear you're wearing is bad. That doesn't make you right.

That makes you a baddie wearing bad gear.

Your gear decisions fly against the conventional wisdom and established gear standards. The mechanics of this game are known, but you're ignoring them because feelings.

You feel like your gear is good.

I'm sorry for the rude awakening, but it's not. Please quit making gear recommendations.

And you should delete your magelos before anybody else sees them.

Omg so bad.

Yes, the game mechanics of this game is well known. You do not know them, and you have demonstrated it repeatedly. You don't know how DEX works, you don't know how targeting works, you don't know how buffs work, you think AoW is a raiding benchmark (it's not), and you think Narandi Crown is the same as Tormax Crown (they are not). You also think resistances are a noob trap lol.

The reality is you feel stacking HP is good in all situations. I have an entire youtube channel showing you are wrong. You have no counter evidence other than your silly memes, and most people disagree with you here.

Please actually play the game, and read up on it. Being this close minded is just hurting your ability to play the game properly. Every post you make just chips away at your credibility.

I am not sure where you got your "conventional wisdom and established gear standards", but they are really bad, and not the conventional wisdom and established gear standards of P99.

[Ennewi]

Always raiding at the bleeding edge, it would be easy to conclude that shawl 7 isn't worth the effort, especially if other aspects of the game seem tedious like questing and trade skilling. Stat-wise, 8 isn't even that good by those min/max raid tank standards though.

The effect is what makes hybrid players rank shawl 7 highly, myself included. Anything that constantly helps reduce solo/group downtime—sitting, feign deathed, or standing—is significant, especially when it doesn't cost a thunder of dragons in terms of DKP. And, unlike virtually every other item, shawl has decent enough potential to maybe one day receive an upgrade since the Ring 10 treatment was originally intended for it, only to be postponed due to time constraints. What would a custom content shawl 10 look like? If it's anything along the lines of...

AC: 10 STA: +10 CHA: +10 WIS: +10 INT: +10 HP: +100 MANA: +100
SV FIRE: +10 SV DISEASE: +10 SV COLD: +10 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +10
Effect: Flowing Thought IV

...than 7 seems worth the time investment for many classes.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always raiding at the bleeding edge, it would be easy to conclude that shawl 7 isn't worth the effort.

Even when I was raiding at the bleeding edge, the secret is simple: Most really good BiS gear is highly contested and takes a long time to acquire. This is what Samoht is living in a dream land about. The reality is you need to build your character up the best way you can with what you have available. Even with 2000+ DKP in Aftermath I had the choice between getting like 3 BiS pieces, or filling most of my slots with raid gear. Doing the latter has overall increased my stats more than those 3 BiS pieces would.

Samoht would take the first route, and his character would still be way far behind in terms of capability. It is not a bad dream to want all BiS, but only the most dedicated of players can accomplish this. For everyone else, second to fourth BiS is still amazing, and if you get that in all slots your character will be well above average for all content on P99.

Originally Posted by Ennewi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The effect is what makes hybrid players rank shawl 7 highly, myself included. Anything that constantly helps reduce solo/group downtime—sitting, feign deathed, or standing—is significant, especially when it doesn't cost a thunder of dragons in terms of DKP.

Exactly. The mana regen effect does more for players than a bit of extra stats. It reduces downtime more than the stats would. That is why it is better than most other items in the same slot.