Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Amuk]

To expand on that, I saw some questionable trains - if you're pvping in hate and you pick up that roaming ghast, or shit like that - but straight out legal training would be DA cleric 20 mobs up your ass all day. Least on live people attempted to make it look accidental and less significant.

[Amuk]

Maybe there was hardcore trains against PDM from AOTL/Discordia, I'm not sure - but from my terrible ass drug abused memory I seem to remember PDM doing a lot of uncontested raiding.

3 in a row holy smokes.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And for Lethdar.

I wasnt reading shit into Searyx's post. He agreed with my main point, which all my others stem from: you can not derive intent from a fraps or even watching, or even being in vent for the most part.

And yes, I do see a guild on R99 having 50-70 online. TR, the smaller of the top 2 guilds on P99 has fucking 50 online at times, and TMO can double that.

To boot, if a cleric / bard zone into fear alone, with /who all fixed, they might not know who is in there and are planning on having bard kite fear while cleric camps at safe wall. It might wipe a group pulling in another spot?

Ban them?

Neg. Its a pvp server, take your fucking lumps like a man and move on.

You're really into the whole "can't prove intent" deal aren't you? Are you in philosophy 101 right now trying to flex some rather meaningless to the real world dilemmas? Guess what else bro, our qualias may be different as well and the allegory of the cave was pretty neat, did i just cover the rest of your semester and/or blow your mind?

Onto the real world, yes of course you can tell what someone is intending with pretty good accuracy, maybe in your fantasy world you can out argue a lawyer and explain to the judge you were merely intending to carve up some chicken in your ex's house when she accidentally ran into your knife and all of the threatening voicemails and messages you sent were merely jokes, but at some point you should probably just give up the ghost on this retarded line of reasoning you're trying to pursue.

Searyx's post didn't say its impossible to derive intent, just because he said it can sometimes be hard to tell what is going on in chaotic situations such as mass pvp in plane of hate doesn't mean it is impossible in 100% of situations like you seem to be claiming. To be honest I'm not sure why you're masturbating so furiously to the one post he said that you could somewhat interpret in your favor, but whatever.

I do hate to burst your bubble since you seem to have so much e-peen caught up in this silly argument to go to such illogical lengths to defend your point, but Searyx has banned people for training before while he was a GM. He did this based on events which he witnessed are determined intent from the actions. How does this mesh with the words you're putting into his mouth?

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gotta side with Xant on this, I played on TZ - I wasn't a part of PDM, I was a semi casual fucken 16-17 year old player, we fought SOTG/Kotwr/fireborn(who we later merged with) type level of guilds and there was rarely training involved.

I remember our guild leader would make sure noone played dirty and it usually was given back to us. I don't think this community is like live, and at least if it's against the rules and the GMS catch you in the act no fucken way to mistake a blatent train (for example naked Nwall train) then ban that accnt and you lose whatever fucken massive time levelling on p99 exp curve. I honestly think the fear of losing your char alone is a pretty big deterrent on that type of style server with active GM's.

This does nothing but reinforce the idea that the community can police training with out GMs.

And naked Nwall train can be used to camp a cleric out to make PoF farmable by a 6-12 man group.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're really into the whole "can't prove intent" deal aren't you? Are you in philosophy 101 right now trying to flex some rather meaningless to the real world dilemmas? Guess what else bro, our qualias may be different as well and the allegory of the cave was pretty neat, did i just cover the rest of your semester and/or blow your mind?

Onto the real world, yes of course you can tell what someone is intending with pretty good accuracy, maybe in your fantasy world you can out argue a lawyer and explain to the judge you were merely intending to carve up some chicken in your ex's house when she accidentally ran into your knife and all of the threatening voicemails and messages you sent were merely jokes, but at some point you should probably just give up the ghost on this retarded line of reasoning you're trying to pursue.

Searyx's post didn't say its impossible to derive intent, just because he said it can sometimes be hard to tell what is going on in chaotic situations such as mass pvp in plane of hate doesn't mean it is impossible in 100% of situations like you seem to be claiming. To be honest I'm not sure why you're masturbating so furiously to the one post he said that you could somewhat interpret in your favor, but whatever.

I do hate to burst your bubble since you seem to have so much e-peen caught up in this silly argument to go to such illogical lengths to defend your point, but Searyx has banned people for training before while he was a GM. He did this based on events which he witnessed are determined intent from the actions. How does this mesh with the words you're putting into his mouth?

Someone google'd philo 101 to get some neat things to post! I put no words in his mouth, just stated he agreed with me, and you have been riding his name's dick for like 5 pages now.

Searyx banned people for training... prolly true. He also helped monster fuck the server with loot tables, and all kinds of wonderful shit.

Just like all the other admins on VZ/TZ. I'm sure some had great intent, but they monster fucked the server routinely.

I dont know why your so against having no GM intervention? What are you scared of?

Cause that is all I really want. Zero GM intervention save for game mechanic issues.

Seriously, why u skur'd?

[Envious]

Plus, its not simply the cant prove intent.

-It saves the GMs / Devs the hassle of dealing with petty shit.
-Keeps corruption 100% out of the picture, because there is ZERO EFFECTIVE INTERACTION
-Allows community to police itself, and omfg... actually establish a community instead of a sandbox of kids needing to be babysat
-Puts pressure on players to NOT be shitbags, because other players will shit on you too

Seriously, why you scared of being alone without the baby sitters?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cause that is all I really want. Zero GM intervention save for game mechanic issues.

That's something else I'm totally on board with. If we do this right, we can police ourselves.

Raiding? Leave people back to guard the ZL's. Gankers? Anti-PK. CC? Get friends and get help.

The less GM intervention, the better.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Envious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Someone google'd philo 101 to get some neat things to post! I put no words in his mouth, just stated he agreed with me, and you have been riding his name's dick for like 5 pages now.

Searyx banned people for training... prolly true. He also helped monster fuck the server with loot tables, and all kinds of wonderful shit.

Just like all the other admins on VZ/TZ. I'm sure some had great intent, but they monster fucked the server routinely.

I dont know why your so against having no GM intervention? What are you scared of?

Cause that is all I really want. Zero GM intervention save for game mechanic issues.

Seriously, why u skur'd?

Having actually played on servers with zero gm intervention (sullon zek for years, vztz in the periods where they let everything go wild), it's blatantly obvious that its terrible for populations. It's not impossible to determine intentions during trains, in fact its quite easy in many situations.

I'm really sorry you missed out on sullon zek for your darkie only roleplay guild on tallon, it was quite a blast.However sullon zek's training did demolish its numbers quicker than any other server on eq and that was during the prime of everquest where people had time and money invested in their characters with 2000+ logging in rather than a "maybe 200-300" here. Most people aren't going to continue playing a free emu server where they get da trained starting at lvl 1 and that's simply the reality bro.

If you find a time machine to live out your dream of playing on sullon zek let me know, but this server isn't sullon zek.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having actually played on servers with zero gm intervention (sullon zek for years, vztz in the periods where they let everything go wild), it's blatantly obvious that its terrible for populations. It's not impossible to determine intentions during trains, in fact its quite easy in many situations.

I'm really sorry you missed out on sullon zek for your darkie only roleplay guild on tallon, it was quite a blast.However sullon zek's training did demolish its numbers quicker than any other server on eq and that was during the prime of everquest where people had time and money invested in their characters with 2000+ logging in rather than a "maybe 200-300" here. Most people aren't going to continue playing a free emu server where they get da trained starting at lvl 1 and that's simply the reality bro.

If you find a time machine to live out your dream of playing on sullon zek let me know, but this server isn't sullon zek.

Nobody told you? Sullon was where all the social rejects that nobody liked ran off to. TZ had zero rules that I ever saw, except dont use racial slurs on the GMs... that got Bolaris banned. =/

And whats your fascination with RP'ing?? I hear the WoW Emerald Dream needs players if you wanna get some RP action in.

[Envious]

And VZ/TZ week no-rules for what? 1 week? Lol