More proof that server is going to hell

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Glitch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We want truthful answers to questions such as:

Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked raid zones not followed that day?

Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Veeshan's Peak not activated during the incident?

Why hasn't a single person been banned, suspended, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?

Why haven't authorities published the results of multiple investigations into chatlogs and GM command logs that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the Veeshan's Peak incident, resulting in tens of millions of platinum in gains?

Why has Perun/Trax, a former TR Raid Leader who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Rogean and granted by a Nilbog-appointed judge?

How could Xzerion, who is reportedly "250 level", have had access to damage tables, mob scripts, and pathing data for 40 minutes without being detected by the Uthgaard's radar or the even superior radar possessed by Rogean and Nilbog?

What happened to the over 20 documented forum posts given to Rants and Flames by Uthgaard?

Why did the Rogean administration cover up the fact that the head of the Transatlantic Rampage was in CSHome the week of the VP Incident and reportedly had 100,000 plat wired Perun/Trax, considered the ringleader of the hackers?

Why did the VP Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?

VP WAS AN INSIDE JOB

rofl

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Twopair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about testing Sky?

sky is also accessible on irreverent and can be tested within a day after you leveled up there.

besides that, i was active when we did sky and i can assure you that there was no hack involved and actually, i was in charge to track all the nameds for the raids i was in up there. xzerion wasnt even there most of the time... guess he was busy coding kunark to make it possible for you r&f-guys to experience nostalgia, this asshole.

[Twopair]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sky is also accessible on irreverent and can be tested within a day after you leveled up there.

besides that, i was active when we did sky and i can assure you that there was no hack involved and actually, i was in charge to track all the nameds for the raids i was in up there. xzerion wasnt even there most of the time... guess he was busy coding kunark to make it possible for you r&f-guys to experience nostalgia, this asshole.

Sir, you must have missed the logs that Uthgaard posted.
I am sure you guys never "hacked" during raids except your cheating pullers.
However, Xzerion testing sky alone on a GM account, then being able to raid it with his guild.. Out of line.

[Chanur]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

222.09[00:53] <Uthgaard> he doesn't develop anything
223.[00:53] <nilbog> neither do you


seems Nilbog didn't disagree.

Just to show you are a fucking moron.

67.[23:27] <nilbog> there is not evidence in those logs to suggest xzerion was building vp for anyone. it looked like he was testing ours. which he used to do, with me, every day. he was a dumbass for making his in game name the same as his developer name.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I take it further Nalkin. It doesn't matter if the developer is guild leader or guild member. They could still abuse information and it just comes down to whether or not they can be trusted. Heck they could not even play a character here and the end result would be the same. What I read into it is the same as always.


Warden Samuel Norton: I have to say that's the most amazing story I've ever heard. What amazes me most is that you were taken in by it.
Andy Dufresne: Sir?
Warden Samuel Norton: It's obvious this fellow Williams is impressed with you, he hears your tale of woe and naturally wants to cheer you up. He's young, not terribly bright, it's not surprising he wouldn't know what a state he put you in.
Andy Dufresne: Sir, he's telling the truth.
Warden Samuel Norton: Let's say for the moment this Blatch does exist. You think he'd just fall to his knees and cry: "Yes, I did it, I confess! Oh, and by the way, add a life term to my sentence."
Andy Dufresne: You know that wouldn't matter. With Tommy's testimony I can get a new trial.
Warden Samuel Norton: That's assuming Blatch is still there. Chances are excellent he'd be released by now.
Andy Dufresne: Well they'd have his last known address, names of relatives. It's a *chance*, isn't it.
[Norton shakes his head]
Andy Dufresne: How can you be so obtuse?
Warden Samuel Norton: What? What did you call me?
Andy Dufresne: Obtuse. Is it deliberate?
Warden Samuel Norton: Son, you're forgetting yourself.
Andy Dufresne: The country club will have his old time cards. Records, W-2s with his name on them. Sir, if I ever get out, I'd never mention what happens here. I'd be just as indictable as you for laundering that money.
[Norton slaps the table]
Warden Samuel Norton: Don't you ever mention money to me again, you sorry son of a bitch! Not in this office, not anywhere!

Whether or Uthgaard is coarse or rubs his peers the wrong way or is insubordinate is a seperate issue and that is what seemed frustrating. Nilbog is right is a lot of what he said but it seemed to Uthgaard he was avoiding the real issue. I understand he looked at it and determined it was only circumstantial evidence existed but as Uthgaard says the only way to prove it is to find a record of Xzerion saying he did it or confessing now. The circumstances surrounding players on this server having access to information they shouldn't have is what matters. They cannot know they have an exact copy unless they have seen he original. Or someone that has tells them this. Is it just another coincidence? It almost seemed like amongst that double speak and sidetracking there was Uthgaard being told to take off his tin foil hat and I wish the meat of the matter was what was being dealt with. Guy doesn't 'develop' for a year but all of a sudden he is testing VP mobs as his raid guild has access to an exact copy of VP as well as him testing RoS mobs? Just another coincidence.

Just because someone says Xzerion is guilty does not make it so but on the other hand just because Uthgaard is insubordinate does not mean he is wrong. Perhaps one should look at the passion and how strongly he believes in what he is saying. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and walks like a duck it is a fucking duck. If a known bank robber is casing a bank the week before it gets robbed is it just coincidence? One can say he was just looking into the best bank for his money but how weak does that sound? In real life it may not be enough to send him to jail but they certainly ask things like if they have motive. And if someone has the resources, is tied to the location, has the motive, has shown a history of a certain behavior, and their guild reaps the benefits repeatedly in game I'm not looking to send them to jail but it would be enough for me here. And at the very least it looks shady. All the things Xzerion does to remove himself from the in-game aspects to avoid such perceptions can seem transparent and hollow now. Coincidence about Vox lair, sky, and what else? The fact TR knew a month before I was flamed for exploiting the non-banishing of Nagafen when we stumbled upon it by happenstance? That they do sky encounters immediately after the encounters are changed? Or know what do in VoxLair as regards to pathing?

Spare me the talk about skill and dedication because as you talk about cheating here and the integrity of the server it appears there is much worse then macroquest and showeq involved. I don't question Nilbog or his integrity but I can honestly say Uthgaard's integrity was never in question also. Just his personal dealings with people is all. I think common sense needs to apply. Evidence is required for certain actions but this ain't the world court. What is TR going to know next before the rest of the server and use to stay on top?

Make me a fucking GM. I'll pass off guild leadership and bring these wankers into line.

[Ring]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, but it sure helps to know the differences in advance to know how to use them to your advantage until another guild gets in there and tries to do the same thing.

The log quote is incorrect though. TR doesn't use any spot where their healers don't get hit by Trakanon's AE. I've seen their Trakanon kills (and so have 80+ other people in the lair from TMO and various guilds, if there was such a spot it would have been made public). Seb isn't exactly a private zone, especially when Trak is about to spawn. TMO started using Ivandry's Hoops long before TR, by the way.

Regardless of the above, Uthgaard's charges against Xzerion were that he was using his dev status to recreate a copy of VP. Can we agree that the evidence he showed isn't enough to support his claim? You can keep jumping to new corruption claims against Xzerion, but let's do them one at a time.

I think Xzerion is a faggot by the way. I think his holier-than-thou act is old and trite and the fact that TR is letting its members who were caught cheating reapp (Perun is going to get turned down? Really? Why even bother with this farce) makes anything he has to say about integrity suspect.

[wrxBRAH]

ya'll *****s take this game too seriously.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The log quote is incorrect though. TR doesn't use any spot where their healers don't get hit by Trakanon's AE. I've seen their Trakanon kills (and so have 80+ other people in the lair from TMO and various guilds, if there was such a spot it would have been made public). Seb isn't exactly a private zone, especially when Trak is about to spawn. TMO started using Ivandry's Hoops long before TR, by the way.

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That's because you are behind. It's new. This is part of their discussion of it.

Originally Posted by Ring [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of the above, Uthgaard's charges against Xzerion were that he was using his dev status to recreate a copy of VP. Can we agree that the evidence he showed isn't enough to support his claim? You can keep jumping to new corruption claims against Xzerion, but let's do them one at a time.

This isn't an isolated incident. This isn't a ragequit over a single exoneration. This is frustration over banging my head against the same wall over and over. I haven't even tipped my hand to show the mountain of logs and evidence. You all have seen a few things that people have shared around, but not everything by a long shot.

[Glitch]

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[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sky is also accessible on irreverent and can be tested within a day after you leveled up there.

Really? Then why was it broken for so long here where you could just pet down Hand and Eye of Veeshan with 30 mages/necros? Oh, until another guild aside from TR did it... then all the pet/aggro changes got made to shut that down real quick.

If you could just get all this info on how P99 works somewhere else, why was the beta test for Plane of Sky needed, Mitic?

When stuff is added to P99 and it goes Live, there is stuff that is broken. You cannot dispute this fact. Examples that come to mind:

Plane of Sky
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=93
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...&postcount=103

Trakanon being super easy
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...8&postcount=21

Howling Stones aggro radius was too low
http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=26176

History here shows that if you have access to how stuff works in a zone on P99 beforehand, it puts you at an advantage because you know all of these "broken things" that aren't quite like the way they work on Live... then they have a history of magically coming out into the open after they have already been taken advantage of by the first guild using them and another guild starts benefiting. Here, there is simply no incentive to post bug reports about something you can benefit from as a guild until another guild gets a chance to do it, due to the cutthroat nature of the raid scene here.

THAT is why people are in an uproar about TR having the potential ability to know in advance how P99 VP is going to work prior to being released, due to information potentially able to be gleaned from GM commands run in that zone by Xzerion.