BIG GUILDS, And Reputations

[Jon Lemon]

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, right after everyone on Inny's hate list from this encounter is suspended:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...1&postcount=88

You got the DT and then no one had Inny aggro. Not you, not your guild. Inny was re-engaged by Perun and because you didn't have a tagger ready after you took the DT, the next TMO to engage was 9 seconds after Perun. This precedence of "the first guild to take the DT does not have FTE because they do not take and hold aggro" was set back here by Rogean himself:

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Or should we go with banning whichever TMO enchanter mem-blurred Talendor on us at 2%?



It is. Perhaps you should stop neglecting the rules when it suits you to do so:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667



The problem from our perspective is that you are operating by some other set of rules other than the ones currently in effect. Mem-blurring Talendor at 2%? Raid interference. Conveniently declaring Phinny a non-raid mob so you can skirt around the 15-man rule? Rules-lawyering. And we're just supposed to sit there and be a doormat? LOL.

I have no problems with GMs/Guides taking a heavy-handed approach to punishment, for EVERY guild. The more that punishment is doled out, the less acceptable the behavior will become for any guild. Especially if they suspend the violator and the innocent guildmate next to him. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Again, let peer pressure sort that shit out within the suspended player's guild.

The 15man rule was thrown away with the new raid agreement.

Phinigal has been 3-4manned since prekunark times, hardly a raid target by any means.

Amelinda declared it a camp on the spot, we showed proof that ib/vd showed up late. IB/VD KS'd after and nothing happened.

Any other thing you want to bring up, go ahead, but you can't beat clear cut violation of rules more than what was presented with Phinny.

If what you're saying is that you justify KS'n Phinny due to the other stuff, then i'll so be it. Don't start crying when shit really gets dirty tho.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ This shit is why everyone hates dealing with the raiding guild drama. You're all fucking each other over at every turn. Yet despite the frequency with which they occur, you inevitably expect the latest to qualify as some travesty of major significance. And when one comes up you act like a nagging wife who brings up every wrong that has ever been done to you.

If suspensions/bans were handed out liberally (yet fairly and consistently) when this shit comes up (like you did), people would eventually stop doing it out of fear of having their time/effort they've invested in their precious pixels being swept away.

Instead, it ends up in a downward spiral, no guild wanting to be a doormat for another guild that is willing to stoop lower because they perceive they can get away with it.

Suspend rules-violators and an innocent guildmate of theirs each and every time. Peer pressure will sort it out.

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Also i'm pretty sure when you take an initial DT, no one else will be on that hate list. The mob immediately goes into seek mode and his hate list is empty. Unless you have 2-3 people tagging in some miracle where a mob doesn't DT the exact same time it get's aggro'd by the 1st person, otherwise the very next 2 people would be the only ones on the new hate list.

Inny never reset after I was DT'd, Perun jav'd right after. I got to watch with the hover after death.

So by this you mean it's perfectly fine to snake "FTEs" after another guild has taken the DT? cool.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also i'm pretty sure when you take an initial DT, no one else will be on that hate list. The mob immediately goes into seek mode and his hate list is empty. Unless you have 2-3 people tagging in some miracle where a mob doesn't DT the exact same time it get's aggro'd by the 1st person, otherwise the very next 2 people would be the only ones on the new hate list.

Inny never reset after I was DT'd, Perun jav'd right after. I got to watch with the hover after death.

So by this you mean it's perfectly fine to snake "FTEs" after another guild has taken the DT? cool.

The first engagement is over after you drop off the hate list because you died from the DT and you were the only one on the hate list. Just like if everyone in TMO was on the hate list, you all wiped so none of you are on its hate list, and Inny is still up... the engagement is over.

Someone's got to bleed off the DT so that a guild can get FTE by the subsequent tagging. Where was your tagger that it took him 9 seconds to tag? Run a tagger in with the DT taker.

No one knows more about taking DTs than a ranger.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also i'm pretty sure when you take an initial DT, no one else will be on that hate list. The mob immediately goes into seek mode and his hate list is empty. Unless you have 2-3 people tagging in some miracle where a mob doesn't DT the exact same time it get's aggro'd by the 1st person, otherwise the very next 2 people would be the only ones on the new hate list.

Inny never reset after I was DT'd, Perun jav'd right after. I got to watch with the hover after death.

So by this you mean it's perfectly fine to snake "FTEs" after another guild has taken the DT? cool.

Exactly.


Now yendor, get some proof of what you are crying about then maybe something will happen. Untill then, shut your fucking mouth because youre making yourself look like a moron.

All this bitching coming from the mongoloid that was too busy screaming for months about how VD is too cool to poopsock, and or fight for raid targets. Yet, a few weeks ago i noticed you tracked gore (lmfoaofaololol) for like 24 hours strait. You make me sick you piece of shit. Either compete or dont compete, but atleast youre done acting like some high and mighty noob with some wallstreet job that makes anything time consuming in EQ too low for you and your guild of shit slinging, double guild banging faggots.

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first engagement is over after you drop off the hate list because you died from the DT and you were the only one on the hate list. Just like if everyone in TMO was on the hate list, you all wiped so none of you are on its hate list, and Inny is still up... the engagement is over.

Someone's got to bleed off the DT so that a guild can get FTE by the subsequent tagging. Where was your tagger that it took him 9 seconds to tag? Run a tagger in with the DT taker.

No one knows more about taking DTs than a ranger.

Ever stop to think we were wondering what the fuck was going on? Stealin took the dt and perun (aka the fat kid who uses showeq then was let back into his guild becuase they are terrible) javed it so quick that he saw it all happen before his screen even started loading from the death.

Doesnt matter. You tools were trying to snipe him, and you lost. Thanks for the encyclopedia you fucking loser.

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first engagement is over after you drop off the hate list because you died from the DT and you were the only one on the hate list. Just like if everyone in TMO was on the hate list, you all wiped so none of you are on its hate list, and Inny is still up... the engagement is over.

Someone's got to bleed off the DT so that a guild can get FTE by the subsequent tagging. Where was your tagger that it took him 9 seconds to tag? Run a tagger in with the DT taker.

No one knows more about taking DTs than a ranger.

TMO usually backs off when shit gets snaked is why. Like I said, as soon as i got DT'd Perun told me he jav'd it.

On my screen, I got DT'd and it was immediately aggro'd on someone else. When someone took it we weren't sure who it was, I thought it might have been the BDA monk who also had previous aggro like I did. Perun confirmed that he had it and we backed off at 60% and let them wipe. We still got xp tho because they/you tried to snake it.

You might know more about how to take a DT, but you know little on the mechanics.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Seaweedpimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly.

Now yendor, get some proof of what you are crying about then maybe something will happen. Untill then, shut your fucking mouth because youre making yourself look like a moron.

The encounter log from Amelinda was posted showing Perun FTE. The precedent where Rogean stated taking the initial DT does not equal FTE. Seems pretty clear to me. Nothing was done as far as I know.

Originally Posted by Seaweedpimp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All this bitching coming from the mongoloid that was too busy screaming for months about how VD is too cool to poopsock, and or fight for raid targets. Yet, a few weeks ago i noticed you tracked gore (lmfoaofaololol) for like 24 hours strait. You make me sick you piece of shit. Either compete or dont compete, but atleast youre done acting like some high and mighty noob with some wallstreet job that makes anything time consuming in EQ too low for you and your guild of shit slinging, double guild banging faggots.

Wow, such rage. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We don't burn ourselves out waiting for targets. I track a few hours at a time while I'm doing stuff around my place, reading, or watching dirty internet porn. Your trackers have beat me a few times during a Gina Ryder scene. And I've beat your trackers before as well. One person tracking does not equal poopsocking. The reality is, that's how you get targets. When I'm done and I want to play, someone takes over for me. Or the mob goes untracked. Not the end of the world. We've become smarter about strategically positioning our mains and then playing alts, but to my knowledge, we're not sitting there continuously refreshing the login screen. If we get there first, great. If not, grats TMO.

But if we get there first and you guys pull shady shit and get away with it like memblurring Talendor or rules-lawyering that a DT is FTE after Rogean spelled it out before to you that it wasn't, then that's what makes this server harder to log into.

[Seaweedpimp]

Got proof?