Yellow Text: The Definitive Discussion

[SearyxTZ]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VZTZ had an even lower population than red99 does at its peak, except when it had 300 (boxed) players for about 2 months, but then again red99 also had well over 300 people (non-boxed) for that amount of time, so this is a weak argument anyway. I find it hard to believe there was more pvp on that server when the only pvp occurred at level 50+, whereas I saw plenty of mid-level pvp on red99.

I played ~120 hours from 1 to 33, the vast majority of which I encountered no one outside of my guild. Spent < 5% of that time in pvp, and it's not like I was ever gunshy about engaging people.


That's classic red? Because that isn't the classic red I remember. This is a straight up blue server solo grind from 1 to 42.

[Dubee]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played ~120 hours from 1 to 33, the vast majority of which I encountered no one outside of my guild. Spent < 5% of that time in pvp, and it's not like I was ever gunshy about engaging people.


That's classic red? Because that isn't the classic red I remember. This is a straight up blue server solo grind from 1 to 42.

Good times to be had in crushbone and unrest so far, even butcherblock I get to PvP... Not sure what your argument is really about?

[SearyxTZ]

Originally Posted by Dubee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good times to be had in crushbone and unrest so far, even butcherblock I get to PvP... Not sure what your argument is really about?

I thought it was pretty clear.

I never saw people in-range in GFay or BB. Unrest, maybe. Crushbone, a few newbies during primetime.

Qeynos/WK/BB/Everfrost = nope. You're alone with the grind.

Highkeep/Highpass/EK = usually nobody in zone. Sometimes a small highkeep group.


Don't kid yourself into thinking there's much early or mid level PvP, because there isn't. To even compare it to classic Zek servers which had 15x the population is delusional. There are too many zones and not enough players for them.

[kazroth]

Jesus Christ dude, this is an emulated "PVP" server of a 13 year old game. You're NOT going to have 2000 people playing on it at prime time; every zone will not be filled! Hell, blue has only 600 or so at prime time. If you think about it, that's a 6:1 ratio of bluebie vs. red players. I'm willing to bet live has a much worse ratio.

Also, stop telling us who we're kidding - we're actively playing in lower levels right now and I have PvP'd every single time I have logged in.

[SearyxTZ]

You're NOT going to have 2000 people playing on it at prime time; every zone will not be filled!

I realize this. What you don't seem to acknowledge is that the server needs to be designed around a low population.

I'm glad you are experiencing PvP at your level. Maybe it's better around the Crushbone area since that is the most congested starting area in the game, but that's still not an excuse to put the blinders on and argue that there is active low/mid level pvp on the server. Wait until you've spent more time leveling up to comment on this. Try other races / starting areas.

[kazroth]

You're not gettin' my point, man... 100 player pop, let's say at any time, 5 of those are new characters. How the hell do you plan on promoting pvp amongst those 5 players if they all start in different zones. You are asking for the impossible.

As I said before, I'm not arguing against increased experience, I'm arguing against people coming to this server knowing what to expect, then bitching that's what they actually find... it's a non-argument.

[SearyxTZ]

They didn't have to bitch about it on VZTZ because we designed around it. We knew we could never have the "classic" low and mid level pvp (or pve) experience due to the realistic approximation of server population.

I don't care if they make 42-50 the slowest fucking grind in any MMORPG ever in exchange for speeding up 1-41, but I'd rather see that happen and the players on the server be in range of eachother to pvp. I'd rather spend fifty hours getting through 42 than have to grind shit by myself through the mid levels with no other players around.

[kazroth]

I'm a latecomer here, can you explain to me what VZTZ was, and why it's not still around if it was so perfect? Not trolling here, honest inquiry.

[SearyxTZ]

It wasn't perfect, dude. This server has lots of things that VZTZ didn't have (full database, better hardware, better support, working anti-hack, etc), but VZTZ also had things that this one doesn't have.


After four years (2007 to 2011) I think Keegan was just tired of supporting/running it on his own money and time.

[Rydar]

They already sped up the low level grind by like 100 percent, if that is not enough for you....

try wow