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[Neyphlite]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Species, kinds, classes, all the same thing right?

So sharks and gators pressed the stop button on evolution.

Thought that was impossible.

I never said that a stop button couldn't be hit. Things evolve for a reason. My guess to that reason would be survival and as such theres really no need for a shark or gator to evolve to survive when they have survived the millions of years that they have.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, it hasnt been proven with 100% certainty. Nothing ever is. Not sure how that negates the thousands of fossils we find, DNA results, etc that all point to evolution being an undeniable fact though.

Perhaps, you could explain why the fossil record shows a clear progression from simple proto-life to the complexity we see today. Why dont we find rabbit fossils in the Precambrian era for instance?

◾Beginning at the base of the Cambrian period and extending for about 10 million years, all the major groups of skeletonized invertebrates made their first appearance in the most spectacular rise in diversity ever recorded on our planet. ◾Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould and Sam Singer, A View of Life, pp. 638.

◾Geologists have discovered many unaltered Precambrian sediments, and they contain no fossils of complex organisms. ◾Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould and Sam Singer, A View of Life, p. 651.


Maybe the better question to ask is why and how very suddenly all of these complex skeletonized vertebrate animals appeared during the same exact geological period with no apparent evolutionary premise.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Neyphlite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said that a stop button couldn't be hit. Things evolve for a reason. My guess to that reason would be survival and as such theres really no need for a shark or gator to evolve to survive when they have survived the millions of years that they have.

The walking sharks and gators are still sharks and gators

Try again

[Neyphlite]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The walking sharks and gators are still sharks and gators

Try again

Errr, I never said anything about new gators being found. To evolve doesn't mean to completely change what you are. Evolution isn't a shark becoming a gator its a shark that slowly gains the ability to do something it could not before. For instance, In the link I posted there is a species of moth that evolved its tone to better blend in to its surroundings for protection against its predators. THAT is evolution not a moth becoming a bird.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Neyphlite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Errr, I never said anything about new gators being found. To evolve doesn't mean to completely change what you are. Evolution isn't a shark becoming a gator its a shark that slowly gains the ability to do something it could not before. For instance, In the link I posted there is a species of moth that evolved its tone to better blend in to its surroundings for protection against its predators. THAT is evolution not a moth becoming a bird.

Its a form of evolution yeah. But its confined to the limits of adaptation. It also isn't what the premise of the theory of evolution is all about. People had been observing adaptation for millenia, yet there was never any change that could be attributed to Darwinian evolution.

[Neyphlite]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a form of evolution yeah. But its confined to the limits of adaptation. It also isn't what the premise of the theory of evolution is all about. People had been observing adaptation for millenia, yet there was never any change that could be attributed to Darwinian evolution.

So your saying evolution is real on a small scale but completely impossible on a large scale?

[leewong]

Originally Posted by RobotElvis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Species, kinds, classes, all the same thing right?

So sharks and gators pressed the stop button on evolution.

Thought that was impossible.

No, they are still evolving but they are very well suited to their environment. When you are extremely well suited to the environment then nature is going to reinforce your current traits because they are beneficial traits. Also, it isnt as if sharks are still the same species they were a few hundred millions of years ago. Hundreds of variations have happened since then so today we have over 400 distinct sharks species all arising from a common ancient shark.

[Glenzig]

Originally Posted by Neyphlite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your saying evolution is real on a small scale but completely impossible on a large scale?

No I'm saying that the word evolution was around for a long time before Darwin. It has more than one meaning. If your setting the definite meaning of Darwinian evolution on what you described, then no, that would be well short of showing Darwinian evolution.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

◾Beginning at the base of the Cambrian period and extending for about 10 million years, all the major groups of skeletonized invertebrates made their first appearance in the most spectacular rise in diversity ever recorded on our planet. ◾Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould and Sam Singer, A View of Life, pp. 638.

◾Geologists have discovered many unaltered Precambrian sediments, and they contain no fossils of complex organisms. ◾Salvador E. Luria, Stephen Jay Gould and Sam Singer, A View of Life, p. 651.


Maybe the better question to ask is why and how very suddenly all of these complex skeletonized vertebrate animals appeared during the same exact geological period with no apparent evolutionary premise.

When a geologist says sudden they arent talking about minutes or hours or years. This period lasted about 53 million years or more. Suddenly is a very bad term to use when referring to it.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Neyphlite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Errr, I never said anything about new gators being found. To evolve doesn't mean to completely change what you are. Evolution isn't a shark becoming a gator its a shark that slowly gains the ability to do something it could not before. For instance, In the link I posted there is a species of moth that evolved its tone to better blend in to its surroundings for protection against its predators. THAT is evolution not a moth becoming a bird.

Still a moth and that whole moth changing it's color was proven to be a hoax btw. Oh you didn't know that? Peppered moths don't even rest on tree trunks during the day. They glued dead moths to the trees. It's been proven to be a total fabrication just like Piltdown Man.

Changes within existing types/kinds is not being argued. Just look at the Russian Silverfox experiments. Lot of different varieties within existing genetic types. Still foxes though. Just like the "walking sharks" are still sharks.

Not completely new genetic code that creates a never before seen kind/type from pre-existing or spontaneously new ordered and functioning genetic code.

Evolution = A Religion