the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, they do kill black people disproportionately relative to their percentage of the population, because black people commit more violent crime disproportionately relative to their percentage of the population. When somebody commits a crime, generally the cops arrive because the victim of that crime called the cops. Usually that person is arrested without incident, but sometimes sadly they end up getting killed by the cops almost always due to their own poor choices and actions.

It use to be with organized crime that Italians were more often in jail.

And before that Irish.

You tend to see that poverty is the factor not race.

But god forbid the right gives or supports government programs to reduce poverty. Don’t Tax me or the rich; that’s all you care about.

How long before you realize you are on the wrong party side. That you are in fact part of the party of manipulation and corruption.

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It use to be with organized crime that Italians were more often in jail.

And before that Irish.

You tend to see that poverty is the factor not race.

But god forbid the right gives or supports government programs to reduce poverty. Don’t Tax me or the rich.

How long before you realize you are on the wrong party side. That you are in fact part of the party of manipulation and corruption.

No, I'm sorry but poverty and class is not a sufficient explanation. Poor black people still committ more violent crime per capita than poor white people. I'll leave it up to you to explain to me why I'm racist for acknowledging reality.

You're the one leaving them behind when you just tap out of the conversation with "Uhhhhh it's POVERTY". Nope, sorry, there are a lot of grieving black mothers out there who are not gonna be super satisfied with that explanation. It's culture, it's culture, it's culture.

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You still don't get it.

Run the numbers all you want, different countries will have different percentages of different populations in prison for different reasons. You cannot draw any meaningful conclusions from such a narrow analysis.

Guys there are more moroccans in prison in guatemala per capita than in uraguay!!

So fucking what?? Do you have any other information, or is that it?? Cause that's not even close to rational thinking let alone scientific thinking (you're the one who introduced per capita)

Yeah but why is the US at the top of every list including ones sourced within the US. I'm not making an argument about other countries versus other countries, I only criticize the US and maybe the UK

Is there something in the character of an American that makes them break laws more often? Is the USA too carceral of a state? Does the USA outlaw things that other states don't, or give breaking crimes prison sentences that others don't? Is poverty a factor in crime and subsequent imprisonments? If so, why don't poorer nations have higher incarceration rates?

I would like more than a reactionary surface analysis please, since you are just so good at this and I am so bad, reportedly. I need your help, Ooloo

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah but why is the US at the top of every list including ones sourced within the US. I'm not making an argument about other countries versus other countries, I only criticize the US and maybe the UK

Is there something in the character of an American that makes them break laws more often? Is the USA too carceral of a state? Does the USA outlaw things that other states don't, or give breaking crimes prison sentences that others don't? Is poverty a factor in crime and subsequent imprisonments? If so, why don't poorer nations have higher incarceration rates?

I would like more than a reactionary surface analysis please, since you are just so good at this and I am so bad, reportedly. I need your help, Ooloo

Well sure I mean you're just talking about incarceration rates in the united states. Sure, maybe the laws are too strict and too numerous here, but that's a totally separate question than if the laws are racist. Cause they aren't. They haven't been since the 60s.

I mean what do you guys actually think? If 30% of a country is X that means 30% of it's prisoners should be X and that 30% of it's movie stars should be X and that if they aren't, racism has occured? That is the most retarded possible analysis of such a complex question.

[Ooloo]

And of course, none of these idiotic premises would be a problem if we weren't actually drafting and in some cases passing public policy based on them. That's why I get pissed when BLM, with it's millions in funding, perpetuates complete lies about the nature of society in america, and now my brother's little kid is learning about why he's a terrible person in school while he's trying to make a fuckin sandcastle or whatever. Yes, I do have a major problem with that.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non-lethals are the final boot. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We can start with trying to pacify them with a beautiful song or getting their mom on the phone to talk them down it’s just tough when they’re walking away with a weapon towards more civilians (sometimes)

[robayon]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well sure I mean you're just talking about incarceration rates in the united states. Sure, maybe the laws are too strict and too numerous here, but that's a totally separate question than if the laws are racist. Cause they aren't. They haven't been since the 60s.

I mean what do you guys actually think? If 30% of a country is X that means 30% of it's prisoners should be X and that 30% of it's movie stars should be X and that if they aren't, racism has occured? That is the most retarded possible analysis of such a complex question.

(You brought up racism in laws, not me. I just responded to your use of statistics a la men versus women prison populations and asked you to apply this type of math analysis to a larger question. End parentheses usage here)

I am asking you the totally separate question, throw out the racism aspect and please talk more about how maybe the United States is a bit on the carceral side, please. Lay it out for me, I am just so terrible at this and I still need more help from you

[Horza]

Like I asked a few hours ago, why does every argument by you Fox News addicts always lead to the same talking points about BLM?

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If 30% of a country is X that means 30% of it's prisoners should be X and that 30% of it's movie stars should be X and that if they aren't, racism has occured? That is the most retarded possible analysis of such a complex question.

You got beef with statistics, homie? 👊

[Ooloo]

Originally Posted by robayon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(You brought up racism in laws, not me. I just responded to your use of statistics a la men versus women prison populations and asked you to apply this type of math analysis to a larger question. End parentheses usage here)

I am asking you the totally separate question, throw out the racism aspect and please talk more about how maybe the United States is a bit on the carceral side, please. Lay it out for me, I am just so terrible at this and I still need more help from you

I honestly don't know what you're asking? Yes, I already agreed that the US is more liberal with incarceration and punitive justice than other countries. Yep, I totally agree.

I just don't think that system is being applied unequally in any meaningful, broad or systemic way, which is always the claim.

Also, when you sarcastically say "PUHLEEEEEEEZE help me understand" about anything it just makes you look like you actually don't understand and are insecure about it.