Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

UTILITY!

THE WORD IS "UTILITY"!

UTILITY!

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shaman DPS and healing is completely irrelevant.

I don't see the word utility there. Do you want to walk this statement back? You need to explain why 50 DPS is irrelevant (Shaman DPS), but 80 DPS (Mage DPS) is relevant.

[Gloomlord]

This man is an idiot!

I have to say it. He's just so unintelligent...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This man is an idiot!

I have to say it. He's just so unintelligent...

When you can't explain your own quote, you resort to insults again.

[Gloomlord]

We've already established that the healing counts as the "utility", along with all their other spells which are not DPS.

And, for the last time, we've already established that DPS in 4th slot is not "irrelevant".

Yeah, I'm beginning to see what Plsnoban was saying. You can't be reasoned with. You've already lost the argument more than 100 pages ago, but you're so insane and unintelligent you can't realise this.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We've already established that the healing counts as the "utility", along with all their other spells which are not DPS.

And, for the last time, we've already established that DPS in 4th slot is not "irrelevant".

Yeah, I'm beginning to see what Plsnoban was saying. You can't be reasoned with. You've already lost the argument more than 100 pages ago, but you're so insane and unintelligent you can't realise this.

I am being reasonable. You just aren't explaining what you mean. I 100% disagree with the statement that Shaman utility is irrelevant. It opens up camps you couldn't do if you had a Mage. It also increases your groups survivability.

It is obvious you care about group survivability (and thus utility), or you would pick 3 Enchanters and a Cleric, or 4 Enchanters if you think DPS is the end-all-be-all. You cannot simultaneously argue a group with 2x Enchanters and Cleric aren't going to use a Shaman's utility, but it's too risky to bring a 3rd Enchanter, so you pick Mage instead.

If you want to claim Shaman DPS is irrelevant (50 DPS), you need to either show Mage DPS is higher than the current data shows, or show 30 extra DPS from bringing the Mage is changing your group in some fundamental way.

I am not sure why you need to resort to insults instead of explaining this.

[Gloomlord]

Did you forget, in your complete insanity, that there are two enchanters here who can "open up camps"? Why would they need a shaman?

I am not sure why need to resort to childishness instead of admitting defeat.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you forget, in your complete insanity, that there are two enchanters here who can "open up camps"? Why would they need a shaman?

I am not sure why need to resort to childishness instead of admitting defeat.

Oh this is easy too. There are camps that Enchanters can't do.

West Waste Dragons are a good example. They AoE dispel (charm break) and summon, so they are pretty difficult for an Enchanter to do. I never see Enchanters soloing West Waste Dragons because of this. The pets an Enchanter can get in West Wastes are also not very good.

Shamans can solo West Waste Dragons, so they would allow your group to do them quite easily. As I mentioned before, mobs with high resists such as Ixiblat Fer and Fungi King are also mobs that a Shaman is good for. The Shaman can focus on slowing the mob while the Enchanters/Cleric keep the pets under control.

The Mage offers nothing other than DPS.

[Gloomlord]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Again, when you can't do anything else, resort to insults/memes.

[PlsNoBan]

People resort to memes and insults when they're trying to have a reasonable discussion with an unreasonable person that appears to have the mental capacity of a child. It gets frustrating and tiresome and sometimes memes and name calling are just easier. Nobody said DPS is irrelevant. More damage is always going to be helpful in some way. That's why a mage doing 50% more dps than your shaman is a better option when the other utility a shaman brings is largely irrelevant with enchanters and a cleric in the group. Your heals aren't needed. Your slow isn't needed. Your dots won't have time to tick and so on. Everyone knows shaman is a strong class just not ideal for this hypothetical group. You just unfortunately have such a strong boner for the class that it's drained your brain of all the blood it needs to think clearly and realize shaman isn't the ideal choice here.

We're arguing with someone that clearly has mental issues of some kind. A very large shaman boner. No blood in the brain. Posts the same bad information over and over. Makes up hypothetical situations that would never occur in reality to justify his bullshit (root rotting adds.etc). When called out just doubles down and pretends he's correct cause you didn't post enough data or do enough math so you couldn't possibly be right. Then on top of it all when people understandably get frustrated trying to converse with this imbecile he just makes another 50 posts bitching about people calling him names. My favorite is when he points out like 8 people combined have 500 posts and how thats a bad thing but it's not bad that he alone has 550 posts in this thread. At the current rate of posting he's going to have 3x as many posts as the 2nd highest poster here pretty soon. The mental gymnastics are the most impressive DSM feature I think.