Best 4 person all caster/priest group - Page 158

Gloomlord · #**1571** 09-03-2022, 03:38 PM

I've looked. I don't see some foolish child starting a mega thread over something so petty.

I mean: you actually put in smiley faces in your posts. We know you're a troll, alright? But you're also too unintelligent to see that the trolling should have stopped when it's become clear to every observer here there is no longer any illusion that you are right.

Honestly, I think posting funny memes and insults are all that you deserve now.

PlsNoBan · #**1572** 09-03-2022, 03:40 PM

At first I thought DSM's avatar was a screenshot of his shaman. Starting to wonder if that's an IRL selfie?

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1573** 09-03-2022, 03:50 PM

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Mage does 50% more dps than shaman by your own data. Shaman utility is largely useless in a group with 2 encs and a cleric. Shaman does less damage than mage and brings nothing else that really matters to the table. Math/Logic/Data all pointing to Mage > Shaman. Yet you have 550+ posts saying the opposite.

Riddle me this fuckhead: How do you suggest we provide "evidence" that will change your mind? Far as I'm concerned the evidence is already clear as day and you just bold face stare at it and go "Nope wrong cuz shaman boner".

I have explained why Shaman is greater than a Mage, and why 20-30 DPS isn't going to affect your group in any meaningful way. During the leveling process 4 casters are already going to be leveling fast, and at level 60 Shamans open up more camps than a Mage.

As to what evidence I am looking for, there are a number of things you could provide.

First would be DPS data showing a Mage doing a lot more DPS on average than what the current data shows. If this discussion was not limited to Casters/Priests, a Rogue would be tempting, since they can do something like 133 DPS on average with Epic and a good offhand. That is 50 more DPS than a Mage and 80 more DPS than a Shaman. That is basically a safer Enchanter pet. You still would lose Malo support, but at least then you could probably start saving enough time on kills to wipe once an hour and still come out on top.

The other evidence you could provide is showing a level 60 Mage contributing more to high level camps than a Shaman by using DPS rather than Utility. Typically you would only pick a Mage over a Shaman if you need CoTH.

PlsNoBan · #**1574** 09-03-2022, 04:02 PM

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I have explained why Shaman is greater than a Mage, and why 20-30 DPS isn't going to affect your group in any meaningful way. During the leveling process 4 casters are already going to be leveling fast, and at level 60 Shamans open up more camps than a Mage.

Mage DPS is more important than Shaman utility in this context. This is a matter of opinion and no data or calculations can be done on it. The only thing a shaman does in this group is provide redundant heals slows and malos. All things that should already be covered. As well as mediocre dps which as you've stated about 19 trillion times isn't super important due to having 2 charms already. However if given the option between 50% more DPS or extra slows/heals/malos that I don't need I'm gonna go with the extra dps. This is a very common sense choice in my opinion and it so happens that everyone that has visited this thread so far has agreed with me and not with you. Maybe every one of us is an idiot or maybe you're the idiot. Tell me with your amazing math and statistical skills. Which is more likely?

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1575** 09-03-2022, 04:11 PM

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Mage DPS is more important than Shaman utility in this context. This is a matter of opinion and no data or calculations can be done on it. The only thing a shaman does in this group is provide redundant heals slows and malos. All things that should already be covered. As well as mediocre dps which as you've stated about 19 trillion times isn't super important due to having 2 charms already. However if given the option between 50% more DPS or extra slows/heals/malos that I don't need I'm gonna go with the extra dps. This is a very common sense choice in my opinion and it so happens that everyone that has visited this thread so far has agreed with me and not with you. Maybe every one of us is an idiot or maybe you're the idiot. Tell me with your amazing math and statistical skills. Which is more likely?

A few people have agreed with my overall points such as Danth, Kich867, and W1zard. Not that this matters, since the number of people who agree with you is irrelevant.

Currently I have data backing up my points, and you do not. Youu are indeed more likely to be wrong statistically. This is especially true since nobody has bothered providing more data. The Mage data isn't coming from me, so it isn't like I faked it to try and make my argument look good.

Also you are 100% fine with having a preference, nobody is forcing you to prefer one or the other. But if you want to talk in more objective terms, that is different.

Gloomlord · #**1576** 09-03-2022, 04:20 PM

Kill speed > redundant utility in a group of 4 people wanting to exp grind and farm.

It's common sense, DSM. Something that you are most lacking in...

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1577** 09-03-2022, 04:24 PM

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Kill speed > redundant utility in a group of 4 people wanting to exp grind and farm.

It's common sense, DSM. Something that you are most lacking in...

Except it isn't, or you would run 3-4 Enchanters hehe. Their redundant stuns are useful, correct? Redudancy is useful, and you don't need to maximize DPS in group content.

Gloomlord · #**1578** 09-03-2022, 04:31 PM

We already established a 3rd enchanter would be better DPS, but if we're talking either Mage of Shaman, then Mage obviously wins.

How do you not see you've lost? "Redundancy is useful" is not a counter argument to this.

The nerve of the mage class to actually be better at something than the shaman! HOW DARE THEY?!

Piss off already, you twit.

DeathsSilkyMist · #**1579** 09-03-2022, 04:36 PM

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We already established a 3rd enchanter would be better DPS, but if we're talking either Mage of Shaman, then Mage obviously wins.

How do you not see you've lost? "Redundancy is useful" is not a counter argument to this.

The nerve of the mage class to actually be better at something than the shaman! HOW DARE THEY?!

Piss off already, you twit.

You need to take a break from posting. You are clearly just mad. I didn't balance the game, don't blame me for Mages being underpowered.

cd288 · #**1580** 09-03-2022, 04:36 PM

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You really need to look in a mirror. You can't admit you are wrong, and insult anybody who disagrees with you.

Fallacies such as "Everybody thinks I am right, therefore I am right" are not a valid argument. I am not sure why you are so hung up on thinking you can continue a discussion in this manner. Either bring evidence or respectfully disagree. You are not special. You do not get to dictate by fiat who is right or wrong.

I love when DSM writes comments like this. Because he literally describes himself while mocking someone else lol