Spells: Resist issue since patch thread

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not buying any of this. What else you got?

I'm just still standing over here... ya know with the lvl 50 druids charming shiverbacks (ya the lower con one, fine) reliably in fear being completely f'd up. Or every enchanter on the server in seb grabbing a dar knight as a pet no problem like that shit's free.

In fact, every tick there should be at LEAST a 5% chance of the charm breaking (let's say just the base chance that should be working). Is that even the case right now? Doesn't seem like it. Same with roots lasting crazy durations.... even on, you guessed it planar trash which should be some of the most resistant mobs in the game outside of having an elemental affinity or being completely immune.

It's just wrong and the people doing it are defending their pixel gains. Period. Same as the previous issues with charming Sirran.

I don't believe that 50 druids are reliably charming silverbacks here.

I have no idea where the 5% figure is coming from.

Anyhow, I do think that you're drastically underplaying how important levels are to the charm equation. The Dar's you mention are 45-50. Ideally, a 60 is looking for a 47-48 pet. Even Krups can be level 49. In general, the stuff that you're charming is 10-15 levels below you. Again, Planes weren't designed for 60 play. The vast majority of Kunark wasn't either. 60s are going to seem really strong in a playground of level 45-50 mobs, and they should.

At this point though, I'm jumping on the post logs bandwagon.

[Nirgon]

I'm jumpin' on the sounds like changes already comin' wagon.

Good one to be on.

Holocaust in fear on red used 50 druids with charmed shivers to clear. Was bout not classic as it comes. Glad to see it will be fixed.

I have a 60 enchanter on blue, I'm WELL versed in how OP this shit is.

See my reports on charming town front guards to kill epic NPCs and Sirran in sky. Know what I'm talkin bout.

[Potus]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blah blah blah. I already know changes coming for charm.

Lets argue about root.

H

No offense, but if it's anything like the recent resist changes then please don't. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nirgon]

255 cap's comin'.

Time to help report anything that's off and help da project.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm jumpin' on the sounds like changes already comin' wagon.

Good one to be on.

I don't think the direction of charm/root changes has been stated. They were gutted last patch, and I'm not sure which way Haynar intends to adjust either.

So overall, I don't like the way min resist chance has been working out. However, it is what is causing root to break early and charm to break early.

So with respect to charm and root, in the current iteration of the code, are they breaking too often? Or not often enough?

So I am trying to adjust charm breaks and root breaks now.

The only real data provided since then was Daldaen's logs of a Glamoured 48(?) Revultant Rat.

Holocaust in fear on red used 50 druids with charmed shivers to clear. Was bout not classic as it comes. Glad to see it will be fixed.

I have a 60 enchanter on blue, I'm WELL versed in how OP this shit is.

I still don't believe that a 50 druid is reliably charming Shiverbacks. I have a 53 druid on blue that I can test this with some time. Charm is definitely overpowered, there is zero doubt about that. This game didn't even try to resemble balanced until Luclin (see: Complete Healing, Slow, /defensive, etc). I try not to fault the game on a mechanical level - EQ is what it is - the good and the bad.

See my reports on charming town front guards to kill epic NPCs and Sirran in sky. Know what I'm talkin bout.

Not really.

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No offense, but if it's anything like the recent resist changes then please don't. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Offense taken.

What class you play?

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blah blah blah. I already know changes coming for charm.

Lets argue about root.

H

Sweet charm is going to be fix! Now maybe they will last more than 10 secs on mobs 10 levels lower then yourself. And if we are going to talk about root then lets have spell level make a difference when rooting mobs. Obviously a high level root should not have the same chance to break as a low level root.

[Scrubosaur]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Offense taken.

What class you play?

Looks like Haynar skims the forums.....Potus is classic. You can find his posts all over the old classic eq forums and sites.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Offense taken.

What class you play?

He's an iksar necro on red.

High crimes of tricking Sundawg into making a guard (Ledshin) npc have a chance to spawn as either see invis or not see invis. This is also a great example of how people treat the evidence that IS available to suit their interests!

There is literally no other guard or in town NPC in the game that has a chance to either be see invis or not.

Some people think that there were literally no see invis npcs in any town.

Well... to them I'd say they never tried to make it through Freeport or Qeynos as a lowbie evil race back in the day.

(Fix that gatdayum necro healing recourse being dispellable god plz)

[Daldaen]

Beta Logs: Level 52-3 Drakkel Dire Wolf in Kael (near max level for druid charm)

Level 60 Druid
Level 52-53 pet (8-7 differential)
Likely had Tashan+Malo(sini). Possible breaks where it had just Glamour etc.

[Sun Mar 16 20:28:02 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:29:14 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 12sec
[Sun Mar 16 20:35:52 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:38:57 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 3min 5sec
[Sun Mar 16 20:39:13 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:40:57 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 44sec
[Sun Mar 16 20:41:08 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:46:40 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 5min 32sec
[Sun Mar 16 20:46:54 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 20:46:59 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:47:01 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf glances nervously about. -- Tash
[Sun Mar 16 20:48:10 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 11sec
[Sun Mar 16 20:48:15 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:53:34 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 5min 19sec
[Sun Mar 16 20:53:49 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 20:53:53 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 21:05:29 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 9min 40sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:05:44 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:06:47 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 3sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:06:54 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:07:05 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 9sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:07:21 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:11:11 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 3min 50sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:11:22 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 21:11:30 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:12:05 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 35sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:12:17 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf glances nervously about. -- Tash
[Sun Mar 16 21:12:17 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:16:17 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 4min 0sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:16:20 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:18:18 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 58sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:18:20 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:21:12 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 52sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:21:33 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:23:54 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 21sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:24:06 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:26:42 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 36sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:26:55 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:29:06 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 11sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:29:13 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:31:42 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 29sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:31:51 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:36:01 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 4min 10sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:36:32 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf glances nervously about. -- Tash
[Sun Mar 16 21:42:08 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 21:44:13 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:44:14 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf glances nervously about. -- Tash
[Sun Mar 16 21:47:49 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 3min 36sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:47:57 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:49:55 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 58sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:50:09 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 21:55:26 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 5min 17sec
[Sun Mar 16 21:55:42 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:00:03 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 4min 21sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:00:44 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 22:00:52 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:07:03 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 6min 11sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:07:16 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 22:07:21 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:11:03 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 3min 42sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:11:33 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:14:03 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 30sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:14:21 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:16:16 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 55sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:16:27 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 22:16:44 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:17:46 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 2sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:18:06 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:19:04 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 58sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:19:15 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:22:04 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 2min 49sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:22:10 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:25:22 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 3min 12sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:25:48 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:34:53 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 9min 5sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:35:05 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:35:09 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 22:35:11 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 6sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:35:28 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:35:41 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 13sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:35:50 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:37:17 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 27sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:37:24 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:40:47 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 3min 23sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:41:01 2014] A Drakkel Dire Wolf looks very uncomfortable. -- Malo
[Sun Mar 16 22:41:11 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:42:41 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 30sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:42:55 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:48:18 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 5min 23sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:48:25 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:48:36 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 0min 11sec
[Sun Mar 16 22:48:46 2014] You begin casting Call of Karana.
[Sun Mar 16 22:50:42 2014] Your Call of Karana spell has worn off. -- 1min 56sec

And after getting through this, I realized that all those times should have 5 seconds removed from them since Call of Karana has a 5 second cast time.