New sneak mechanics = trainfest?

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This here QFT. ^^^

The pixels running through neckbeard veins is strong. They actually have themselves convinced that instagibing dragons at zonelines and all the other cheese tactics they have been using for years now is competitive and takes more skill than actually fighting the fights as they are supposed to be fought in the zones up to the dragons.

I always thought part of the challenge when raiding dragons is not only the degree of difficulty of the dragon fight itself, but also the amount of time needed to dedicate to getting to the dragon for the kill. Silly me for thinking that.

These guys want their pixels easy, and they enjoy having them on lockdown due to them having the most dedicated sockers and "racers" available any time of the day.

To the Devs: Please make the raids harder, force the neckbeards to actually work for their pixels. Nerf clickies, remove bind points, and perma root dragons at their spawn points since the neckbeards refuse to do anything but find ways to exploit the mobs and zones by finding ways to circumvent the crawls to the dragons.

Turn the raids into classic style raids which require actual cooperation between the raid guilds. This will also make high end raids more available to less sock-filled raid guilds when the mobs actually stay up longer than 10 mins after spawning.

If the encounter requires more than 10 minutes to engage and kill, they won't be so easily farmed at the drop of a hat.

Again, your lack of knowledge regarding the raid scene is apparent. Everything you just suggested to change would in no way make you any harder tor the top guilds. Rioting dragons let's you pre slow and train away all the trash even easier, bind points no longer matter because no one is TL pulling, and the clickies are a bigger crutch for the more casual guilds than for A/A.

It requires more coordination to work out train ups and pulls than it does to kill the trash lol.

They have had the pixels on lock down because instead of actually entering the raid scene little kids like you would rather bitch and complain demanding things change. You not enjoying the content doesnt matter and no one honestly cares. It's why Sirken made a post literally telling you to shut up because it isn't going to change lol.

What does raiding a dragon have to do with clearing its trash? Are you saying that in live if you could pull out a raid mob without killing its trash you wouldn't have? Even on live I never saw anyone killing all the dwarves in drains room or all the Giants in KTs. I never saw raids clear from WL to yelinak. So obviously your version of what is fun isn't the same as everyone's and that won't change no matter how often you state your opinion on it.

It's like all you have in life is you're hatred of "neckbeards" did you lose out on some loot to someone who put more effort into getting it than you did? Are you upset because none of your characters will have the best gear in the game handed to them? Honestly child, you're on the wrong server. All you have done is repeat the same tired opinion, one which you have been Repeatedly told was incorrect. You must be a liberal...

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why, if it's not difficult, and people aren't just after the fast and easy pixels, as so many claim. Does this not ever happen here?

That is something you have to ask CSG. They are the ones who pushed for dungeon crawls but have never actually accomplished one in any zone.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, your lack of knowledge regarding the raid scene is apparent. Everything you just suggested to change would in no way make you any harder tor the top guilds. Rioting dragons let's you pre slow and train away all the trash even easier, bind points no longer matter because no one is TL pulling, and the clickies are a bigger crutch for the more casual guilds than for A/A.

It requires more coordination to work out train ups and pulls than it does to kill the trash lol.

They have had the pixels on lock down because instead of actually entering the raid scene little kids like you would rather bitch and complain demanding things change. You not enjoying the content doesnt matter and no one honestly cares. It's why Sirken made a post literally telling you to shut up because it isn't going to change lol.

What does raiding a dragon have to do with clearing its trash? Are you saying that in live if you could pull out a raid mob without killing its trash you wouldn't have? Even on live I never saw anyone killing all the dwarves in drains room or all the Giants in KTs. I never saw raids clear from WL to yelinak. So obviously your version of what is fun isn't the same as everyone's and that won't change no matter how often you state your opinion on it.

It's like all you have in life is you're hatred of "neckbeards" did you lose out on some loot to someone who put more effort into getting it than you did? Are you upset because none of your characters will have the best gear in the game handed to them? Honestly child, you're on the wrong server. All you have done is repeat the same tired opinion, one which you have been Repeatedly told was incorrect. You must be a liberal...

You take everything very personal and throw personal insults at others who do not. You also seem adverse to changes or possible incoming changes... You must be an autistic conservative.

[Mythanor]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, your lack of knowledge regarding the raid scene is apparent. Everything you just suggested to change would in no way make you any harder tor the top guilds. Rioting dragons let's you pre slow and train away all the trash even easier, bind points no longer matter because no one is TL pulling, and the clickies are a bigger crutch for the more casual guilds than for A/A.

It requires more coordination to work out train ups and pulls than it does to kill the trash lol.

They have had the pixels on lock down because instead of actually entering the raid scene little kids like you would rather bitch and complain demanding things change. You not enjoying the content doesnt matter and no one honestly cares. It's why Sirken made a post literally telling you to shut up because it isn't going to change lol.

What does raiding a dragon have to do with clearing its trash? Are you saying that in live if you could pull out a raid mob without killing its trash you wouldn't have? Even on live I never saw anyone killing all the dwarves in drains room or all the Giants in KTs. I never saw raids clear from WL to yelinak. So obviously your version of what is fun isn't the same as everyone's and that won't change no matter how often you state your opinion on it.

It's like all you have in life is you're hatred of "neckbeards" did you lose out on some loot to someone who put more effort into getting it than you did? Are you upset because none of your characters will have the best gear in the game handed to them? Honestly child, you're on the wrong server. All you have done is repeat the same tired opinion, one which you have been Repeatedly told was incorrect. You must be a liberal...

TL;DR; if you dont neckbeard, you dont have skill. This changes sucks, but only for CSG... (random insults about liberal/ trump lover/ your mom/ religion thrown in).... you're welcome

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You take everything very personal and throw personal insults at others who do not. You also seem adverse to changes or possible incoming changes... You must be an autistic conservative.

You must not be able to read then. I have embraced the changes and have repeatedly said I have no problem with them or any future changes. Your issue obviously stems from a lack of comprehension and no actual friends. I haven't taken anything personally except when you clearly don't comprehend what is sad and spin it. You have admitted that you don't raid and the majority of your comments reinforce that and prove you don't have a clue about the actual raid scene.

The raid scene will never cater to people like you who demand everything be handed to them. If you aren't ever going to be willing to commit to it then just comprehend now you will never get BiS gear on this server. If that doesn't bother you than neither should the raid rules as obviously you're not raiding. That is further proven by your ignorant feedback regarding what should also be changed in the current raid environment. Basically kiddo, your opinion is uninformed and ultimately doesn't matter since nothing you have suggested would help or change anything.

Keep using your go to phrases of "cheeseing" and "neckbeards" while having no actual idea what either of those things are

Originally Posted by Mythanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR; if you dont neckbeard, you dont have skill. This changes sucks, but only for CSG... (random insults about liberal/ trump lover/ your mom/ religion thrown in).... you're welcome

Where did I ever equate staring at a wall to skill? I said commit the effort meaning the time. Where did I mention his religion or mother? And no, I didn't vote for trump. However the "give me give me give me" mentality has always been associated with the liberal left. Clearly you didn't or couldn't read it judging by how off base the tldr was. Thanks for trying though

[kotton05]

Europa has crawled north and Rustle crawled north while Shit wasn't in window.more than once. It's not bad just takes time.

Also sirken was watching the last Windows with the idea of what needs changed. I sat outside with him while kelz cried to him and he called you all psycho's for not coming up with a rational way of splitting up pixels.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Europa has crawled north and Rustle crawled north while Shit wasn't in window.more than once. It's not bad just takes time.

Also sirken was watching the last Windows with the idea of what needs changed. I sat outside with him while kelz cried to him and he called you all psycho's for not coming up with a rational way of splitting up pixels.

CSG got a coth to triplets to kill sev, that is not a crawl. They have never made it crawling past ikitar actually. And killing trash when nothing is in window just seems like a waste as you don't have competition and people leaping past you.

[Skew]

The last time a competitive crawl occured in ToV was Day 1 Velious with Rampage going left and Forsaken going right. All downhill since then.

[Lazie]

You are wrong about Rooting mobs not changing anything now though Manerz. With leash aggro range you can't keep the trash kited now indefinitely.

[Sancta]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sneak pulling a mob out of a train with the old mechanics was as simple and trivializing as it gets. To say that sneak pulling out of a train is more challenging than crawling through the whole dungeon is just silly.

We're talking about the pulling mechanics and how they now there big guy. It completely shuts out casual raiders who couldn't crawl to bosses and kill them before, so how will they now with pulling dragons being harder?

Some of the closer ones aren't that hard to pull to entrance but for most now you either have to CoTH to their location to kill them with a challenging pull or crawl through hours upon hours of time consuming easy trash that puts everyone to sleep while not making the dragon pull any easier.

Say the rules were changed that you have to clear to dragons, what do you think will happen? The casuals will suddenly have way more time on their hands to clear to dragons? And then still pull off hard pulls when they get there? Because alotta big dragons come with little adds, most pulls are still challenging even once you clear to the dragons. Clearing trash does not make most of these pulls any easier. Some Pulls come with 3 big dragons or two big dragons (see twins and trips). You still have to split properly with coordination and knowledge of mechanics, that's not going away no matter how many trash you clear.

How is killing trash right now more of a challenge than pulling some of these dragons?

Serious question: Have you ever step foot inside ToV?

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This here QFT. ^^^

The pixels running through neckbeard veins is strong. They actually have themselves convinced that instagibing dragons at zonelines and all the other cheese tactics they have been using for years now is competitive and takes more skill than actually fighting the fights as they are supposed to be fought in the zones up to the dragons.

I always thought part of the challenge when raiding dragons is not only the degree of difficulty of the dragon fight itself, but also the amount of time needed to dedicate to getting to the dragon for the kill. Silly me for thinking that.

These guys want their pixels easy, and they enjoy having them on lockdown due to them having the most dedicated sockers and "racers" available any time of the day.

To the Devs: Please make the raids harder, force the neckbeards to actually work for their pixels. Nerf clickies, remove bind points, and perma root dragons at their spawn points since the neckbeards refuse to do anything but find ways to exploit the mobs and zones by finding ways to circumvent the crawls to the dragons.

Turn the raids into classic style raids which require actual cooperation between the raid guilds. This will also make high end raids more available to less sock-filled raid guilds when the mobs actually stay up longer than 10 mins after spawning.

So you're saying that clearing to dragons as it was "designed" is a challenge not only because of the big dragon you fight in the end but also the hours upon hours of time wasted killing little whelps. The challenge here being the ungodly amount of hours spent sitting in front of the screen? Where is the challenge in that? Really curious, you think the top guilds will lose to casual guilds when the challenge is "Lets see who can clear this trash faster?" I'm convinced now you're just a troll TBH.

Making raids harder isn't going to make guilds cooperate. (See: Last week where dragons were up for a huge amount of hours and no CSG was in sight attempting to clear trash).

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the encounter requires more than 10 minutes to engage and kill, they won't be so easily farmed at the drop of a hat.

So let me get this straight, if a raid mob takes more than 10 minutes to engage and kill, say an hour, this means that CSG will have a better chance to get more raid mobs? Clearing trash to a mob will require way more work/time from a CSG than A/A. And we're talking about both types using the same exact strats. Repeat: You still have to split properly with coordination and knowledge of mechanics, that's not going away no matter how many trash you clear.

I can't believe I fell for this troll for such a long time, I blame myself.