Seal Team removes ourselves from all player agreements

[xmaerx]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not everyone in ST is a loser neckbeard

just because their leadership is trolling doesnt mean we should put the blame upon

everyone in there

People know what is or isn't against the rules, at the scale of these events. If my guild said "We're going to COMMIT DOMESTIC TERRORISM BECAUSE WE'RE UPSET", I'd leave long before that took place. They had every opportunity to not be a part of this tomfuckery. Complicit, or cowardly. Either way, see you next Tuesday.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by xmaerx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People know what is or isn't against the rules, at the scale of these events. If my guild said "We're going to COMMIT DOMESTIC TERRORISM BECAUSE WE'RE UPSET", I'd leave long before that took place. They had every opportunity to not be a part of this tomfuckery. Complicit, or cowardly. Either way, see you next Tuesday.

I doubt the people who weren’t online had any chance to react.

[xmaerx]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I doubt the people who weren’t online had any chance to react.

While I'd cut them some slack, they signed up for this. Everyone in that guild knows they're on the edge of some dumb shit, every damned day. Preventing it is an active effort on the part of a SELECT FEW, whom probably don't deserve a ban. But these are the trials we face, I suppose.

[xmaerx]

Beyond just laughing at Seal Team trying to bring down the little shreds of civilization on this server like a Final Fantasy villain formed from semen-infused tissue-papier-mâché, there is something worth mention:

Having been in "Seal Team" in other games, and having run "Seal Team" in other games, there is a certain atmosphere that permeates guilds like this. Statistically, it isn't even a mean mindset, it's just.. a meme mindset. People like and gravitate to that goofy fucking toxic ego-fest, crystallizing into a bunch of piss-flavored snowflakes around nucleation points failed-to-defuse by the guild's leadership. Every little thing that is said and done without recompense contributes to it, whether it's calling camps you're not at, casually swiping mobs from other peoples', or just generally showing disregard for the well-being of others.

Suddenly, your entire guild identity is that of an unwashed locker room, and everyone NOT inside is on the other team and worthless. Certain individuals will absolutely do dumb shit, get booted, and become examples. Unfortunately, those examples *aren't* for the people in the guild to witness and be better than. They're for people *outside* the guild to bear witness. They're purely scapegoats, intentionally or otherwise, shoved out to slaughter by the leadership who either thinks, or is pretending that they have control of the guild.

Unfortunately, it's not about those individuals. The guild itself is radioactive, having existed for far too long as a repository for the depleted uranium ammunition that is their bloated, un-preened roster. You can ban individuals and punish individuals all you want, but until the numerous, decent people in that guild decide to form something new, this is going to happen over and over again. Their refusal to do so means they're either not that decent, or they're not that numerous.

Keep the raid ban on the guild and its leadership until EQNext is released. Lift the raid ban on the players before epics come out. Give them a chance to reorganize and do better. Otherwise.. they're just going to wait out the storm, crack open a cold one with the boys and get back to soaking the rest of the server in ball-sweat.

[Eldini]

Originally Posted by xmaerx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Beyond just laughing at Seal Team trying to bring down the little shreds of civilization on this server like a Final Fantasy villain formed from semen-infused tissue-papier-mâché, there is something worth mention:

Having been in "Seal Team" in other games, and having run "Seal Team" in other games, there is a certain atmosphere that permeates guilds like this. Statistically, it isn't even a mean mindset, it's just.. a meme mindset. People like and gravitate to that goofy fucking toxic ego-fest, crystallizing into a bunch of piss-flavored snowflakes around nucleation points failed-to-defuse by the guild's leadership. Every little thing that is said and done without recompense contributes to it, whether it's calling camps you're not at, casually swiping mobs from other peoples', or just generally showing disregard for the well-being of others.

Suddenly, your entire guild identity is that of an unwashed locker room, and everyone NOT inside is on the other team and worthless. Certain individuals will absolutely do dumb shit, get booted, and become examples. Unfortunately, those examples *aren't* for the people in the guild to witness and be better than. They're for people *outside* the guild to bear witness. They're purely scapegoats, intentionally or otherwise, shoved out to slaughter by the leadership who either thinks, or is pretending that they have control of the guild.

Unfortunately, it's not about those individuals. The guild itself is radioactive, having existed for far too long as a repository for the depleted uranium ammunition that is their bloated, un-preened roster. You can ban individuals and punish individuals all you want, but until the numerous, decent people in that guild decide to form something new, this is going to happen over and over again. Their refusal to do so means they're either not that decent, or they're not that numerous.

Keep the raid ban on the guild and its leadership until EQNext is released. Lift the raid ban on the players before epics come out. Give them a chance to reorganize and do better. Otherwise.. they're just going to wait out the storm, crack open a cold one with the boys and get back to soaking the rest of the server in ball-sweat.

bro eq next was cancelled years ago, are you living under a rock? also rip st hi guys

[Immok]

Originally Posted by Eldini [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bro eq next was cancelled years ago, are you living under a rock? also rip st hi guys

That may have been the point

[Eldini]

Originally Posted by Immok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That may have been the point

i like it then, good post.

[kage]

edited 5 more times to add big words

[xmaerx]

Originally Posted by kage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edited 5 more times to add big words

Yes.

I proof read in chunks. This ain't The Times.

[Lostfaction]

ST members were told to follow orders and followed them into a raid ban, and yet I am sure they will come out of this continuing to follow those same toxic individuals because pixels.
It's surprising the number trying to defend the actions despite their leadership being completely shut down by server staff.
All actions here were unprecedented through a 10 year experiment with blue server and it will be interesting to see if any positive change in attitude comes from this.