Lord Nagafen & Lady Vox status (post 52 restriction)

[Haul]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ITT: Terrible guilds and their players defend sitting on spawnpoints as a "tactic" rather than the pathetic bullshit that it really is.

Omg Harrison said something I agree with. SOUND THE ALARM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

No I am saying it struck me as odd he said that when it dropped. It is entirely possible it was an offhand comment being that they were after said item, but I would expect people to guess about a CoF. I asked and was told I only linked it in guild so there are only a few explanations some harmless, some not. I am not claiming any GM involvement or Xzerion or whatever crap you come up with. So it came down to he knew because:

He didn't he just had a lucky guess or made an offhand remark that hit the target.
He asked someone what dropped and got a reply fast, I mean almost as fast as it took me to link it using the link all button.
He saw our guildchat.
He knew what the mob had.

I was just wondering out loud, how did he know? And edit: Swarws just answered someone said it in say, but I didn't see it, but will check fraps we had. I remember doing a /who and seeing what 17 or so TR in zone but I also know 12 people running from zone-in doesn't count.

[Swarws]

Fingers of FURY.... Ask Loke's wife...


Edit.. We got ---> 12 <---- of the team online.. Its time to slay the dragon..

I 100% can kill Nagafen with 12 or less people.. Hell Ill do it with 6.. and fuck i can hold Nagafen with 3 people all day till more run from zone in..

Perfect Creature

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I am not saying you lack the skill in killing nagafen with low numbers. I am saying that 'holding' or 'kiting' a mob with a person or 2 While your raid runs up has been addressed here. Was it DA and someone with nagafen when it came up? Someone 'holding' Nagafen at the door as the raid ran up or people logged in and tried to claim the mob over a full raid force right at him? Anyway the decision was you can't kite or 'hold' a 'mob' if your force isn't there ready to engage in an attempt to stall or claim 'FTE'. Am I correct in that assumption, or close? Please clarify, I am sure some people that were there can speak more intelligently on the actual happenings that day.

[Swarws]

Im not sure on the ruling now a days.. I just got back after a few month break, but can you not have like a warrior tanking a mob with a few clerics healing him while more people enter the zone? Yea you cant glitch the mob or use the leash but if you have someone tanking it and actively fighting the mob regardless of the number of people? But this is besides the point..

More funny tinfoil hats please!

Perfect creature

[Haul]

TOOK MAR JARB!!!

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Originally Posted by Swarws [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, btw that was me on Quez and it was a joke.. one of your members link it in say or something and it was the only decent item that dropped.. We are pretty sure we got FTE but if not it was just fun leeroying from zone in to try and get the kill.. we had enough in zone to kill it ourselfs when we tagged it so not like we weren't ready for him or anything.


Perfect Creature

No one linked it in say, the only links were in guildchat. I just went over the fraps several times from the moment the mob died to the moment you made the remark.

[Loke]

I wasn't paying attention to say, but I just looked at my logs and no one said anything in say. It was linked in our guild chat by someone other than Swarws which is where he must have gotten it:

[Sun Aug 14 00:58:42 2011] [player's name] tells the guild, 'Blight, Hammer of the ScourgeHierophant`s CrookTreasure Hunter`s Satchel'

For a comparison of time:

[Sun Aug 14 00:57:19 2011] Lord Nagafen has been slain by Mobu!

So we found out about loot approximately a minute and a half after he was killed.

Edited the name out because I I'm not sure if it could some how be linked to someone in your guild who told that person - don't wanna put anyone on blast or get anyone in trouble for sharing info.

As far as what went down - I actually had FTE (was first and only person hit by initial fire based AE, was feared, and first melee hits were on Mcjagger. I can pull the logs of that too if you want, but need to go pick up a friend from the bars in a minute so not gonna do it now. I was grouped with a bard and two clerics, all 52 and under (which is more than enough to engage with considering we had at least 20 in zone enroute to the lair).

Disclaimer: the rest of this post is all personal opinion - I don't speak for anyone in TR but myself, but this is my perspective of what went down at naggy...

Honestly Shaere, for what seemed like the majority (definitely the vocal majority) going to Naggy was less about getting Naggy and more about messing with you (this is just the members I heard in TS, I can't speak for the leadership). Naggy and Vox really aren't that high up on our list of mobs to kill, and the turn out for them is generally weak. We went straight from Gore to Vox, from what I think was 41 at Gore, less than half of those people bothered to switch over for Vox (due to general disinterest from what I could tell). However, when the guild whose guild leader is on these forums day in and day out blaming TR for everything wrong with this server and bad mouthing its membership, it is understandable that a large portion of our member base was excited at the prospect of fucking with you.

Even after you blatantly KS'd what was (according to the current rules) our mob, a lot of people were pushing our leadership (who seemed reluctant given the loot) to petition not necessarily because we wanted the loot, but again, to mess with you. Although, again, a petition was completely justified as there is zero doubt in my mind that we had FTE since I was the player on the character (Jhahl) who actually got FTE - I was the only person in the lair and like I said, my logs show that I was the only person hit by the initial AE - and if you don't want to count the AE, again, Mcjagger was the first person to be engaged in melee after I was feared (he was the bard in my group).

Notice how we worked with BDA on a Naggy, or tonight, after sniping Draco, we offered the loot to the other guilds in the zone because we didn't need it. It is because those guilds aren't blowing up these forums spitting hate and disdain our way. Yea, when a target is up, we roll into the zone and if it isn't engaged, we're going to do everything in our power to engage it as soon as possible - but that leads back to the fact that we're competitive and like the prospect of racing other guilds to get the kill - it is why we raid. Like I said with Draco tonight - BDA and Div were in zone and we ended up getting it - not because we dislike those guilds (quite the contrary actually), but because we like to raid.

Maybe if you spent more time focusing on you and your guild and a bit less on what TR is doing, we wouldn't be so motivated by the prospect of messing with you - hell, maybe you'd even find that most of us are generally laid back people who aren't out to fuck anyone over, we're just out to play the game and have a good time.

EDIT: Logs of me being only one in range for first AE...

[Sun Aug 14 00:55:55 2011] Tixel tells the guild, 'He isnt agro yet'
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:02 2011] Item is out of charges.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:02 2011] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 500 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:02 2011] Your ultravision fades.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:07 2011] Kenjo tells the guild, 'LFG'
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:09 2011] You lose control of yourself!
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:09 2011] You flee in terror.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:13 2011] Ilvx's spell fizzles!
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:14 2011] Ilvx begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:16 2011] Wobble begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:16 2011] Lord Nagafen claws Mcjagger for 192 points of damage.
[Sun Aug 14 00:56:16 2011] Lord Nagafen bashes Mcjagger for 87 points of damage.

What it would have looked like had anyone else been in range:

[Sun Aug 07 16:46:07 2011] Bigsandwich's body combusts as the lava hits them..
[Sun Aug 07 16:46:07 2011] Mcjagger's body combusts as the lava hits them..
[Sun Aug 07 16:46:07 2011] Your body combusts as the lava hits you. You have taken 500 points of damage.

So yea, pretty sure that counts as Taken blatantly KSing TR.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't paying attention to say, but I just looked at my logs and no one said anything in say. It was linked in our guild chat by someone other than Swarws which is where he must have gotten it:

[Sun Aug 14 00:58:42 2011] [player's name] tells the guild, 'Blight, Hammer of the ScourgeHierophant`s CrookTreasure Hunter`s Satchel'

For a comparison of time:

[Sun Aug 14 00:57:19 2011] Lord Nagafen has been slain by Mobu!

So we found out about loot approximately a minute and a half after he was killed.

Edited the name out because I I'm not sure if it could some how be linked to someone in your guild who told that person - don't wanna put anyone on blast or get anyone in trouble for sharing info.

As far as what went down - I actually had FTE (was first and only person hit by initial fire based AE, was feared, and first melee hits were on Mcjagger. I can pull the logs of that too if you want, but need to go pick up a friend from the bars in a minute so not gonna do it now. I was grouped with a bard and two clerics, all 52 and under (which is more than enough to engage with considering we had at least 20 in zone enroute to the lair).

Disclaimer: the rest of this post is all personal opinion - I don't speak for anyone in TR but myself, but this is my perspective of what went down at naggy...

Honestly Shaere, for what seemed like the majority (definitely the vocal majority) going to Naggy was less about getting Naggy and more about messing with you (this is just the members I heard in TS, I can't speak for the leadership). Naggy and Vox really aren't that high up on our list of mobs to kill, and the turn out for them is generally weak. We went straight from Gore to Vox, from what I think was 41 at Gore, less than half of those people bothered to switch over for Vox (due to general disinterest from what I could tell). However, when the guild whose guild leader is on these forums day in and day out blaming TR for everything wrong with this server and bad mouthing its membership, it is understandable that a large portion of our member base was excited at the prospect of fucking with you.

Even after you blatantly KS'd what was (according to the current rules) our mob, a lot of people were pushing our leadership (who seemed reluctant given the loot) to petition not necessarily because we wanted the loot, but again, to mess with you. Although, again, a petition was completely justified as there is zero doubt in my mind that we had FTE since I was the player on the character (Jhahl) who actually got FTE - I was the only person in the lair and like I said, my logs show that I was the only person hit by the initial AE - and if you don't want to count the AE, again, Mcjagger was the first person to be engaged in melee after I was feared (he was the bard in my group).

Notice how we worked with BDA on a Naggy, or tonight, after sniping Draco, we offered the loot to the other guilds in the zone because we didn't need it. It is because those guilds aren't blowing up these forums spitting hate and disdain our way. Yea, when a target is up, we roll into the zone and if it isn't engaged, we're going to do everything in our power to engage it as soon as possible - but that leads back to the fact that we're competitive and like the prospect of racing other guilds to get the kill - it is why we raid. Like I said with Draco tonight - BDA and Div were in zone and we ended up getting it - not because we dislike those guilds (quite the contrary actually), but because we like to raid.

Maybe if you spent more time focusing on you and your guild and a bit less on what TR is doing, we wouldn't be so motivated by the prospect of messing with you - hell, maybe you'd even find that most of us are generally laid back people who aren't out to fuck anyone over, we're just out to play the game and have a good time.

In other words, Loke is saying that TR is just a bunch of dicks that like "messing" with folks trying for raid mobs and items that TR doesnt even need, but wants to race them to for the sake of showing the server the size of their joint e-peen. I guess your personal opinion is in line with the reality! Thanks for the clarification.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In other words, Loke is saying that TR is just a bunch of dicks that like "messing" with folks trying for raid mobs and items that TR doesnt even need, but wants to race them to for the sake of showing the server the size of their joint e-peen. I guess your personal opinion is in line with the reality! Thanks for the clarification.

No, we're a bunch of "dicks" that like messing with SHAERE.. subtle difference. "Folks" aren't on these forums every day shitting on us. Also, it is hilarious that someone from TMO would comment here given your guilds apparent strategy of "after wipe, have 1 or 2 people try to engage and get FTE as TR engages".. think it has happened what, 3 or 4 times now? Also, sick 15 minute Sev pull today. I think I could circle the entire zone of EJ three or four times in the time it took you to "pull" (see: kite) Sev after engaging with 7 players in the zone. How'd that work out for you?