Red99 Stimulus Plan (some constructive feedback)

[Jirr]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did they actually witness these exploits themselves? To see, you know, if there were actually exploits? You realize posting things like this might make people believe them. Furthermore, you might have caused people to leave the server when they read your posts, believing these exploits existed and were being used.

I'd say the release of this server is one the most sploit-less eq releases possibly ever? Originally eq servers had the most sploits of course.. legendary ones at this point. Then eqemu servers (lol) and the additional eqlive servers which opened up after. Somewhere around 2004 eqlive started changing systems and got rid of lingering code exploits, but still doesn't (?) care about macroquest and showeq.

tldr: negative propaganda is possibly decreasing population. at least by 6 :P

Moving to a transparent rules enforcement system would be a big improvement in this area. It is a safe assumption that some people will be using exploits and most will get away with it most of the time. The massive botting on p99 is a great example of this. At present I can't see anything being done about exploiting or training on r99. Slap up a sticky thread with a list of people being disciplined so that we know that someone is at least trying.

[Herb9]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why you think SZ was such a great implementation I will never know. I played both and RZ was way better.

At the time SZ came up it was a perfect time to leave RZ. Adell and Kesdian had just united the server under that Ascending Dawn?? banner and the major wars were all over. RZ had already represented well at server wide tourneys and had since lost most of its big names.

Meanwhile on SZ, some of the major clans that had quit like Sinister came back for the launch and found themselves on the same team as Darkenbane, and mega pve clans like Legacy of Steel sent folks to form Ruin, and it was the most epic clash of pve minded players vs pvp minded players EQ has ever seen.

[hagard]

Why in the fuck would you want to grind 200 hours to lvl 50. I'd rather not play at all

[Albane]

I like the idea of a Global Auction channel. Is this something you can disable if you don't want to hear it?

[Nirgon]

It won't be used for global auction tho dude, even if it's tied to /auc.


Also, as far as what Nilbog said, exactly.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Albane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because Original EQ had exploits, you let them happen here?

I didn't say that.

Original EQ did not have 10 year old information on how to use these exploits.

Original eq had worse 'exploits' than anything reported here so far. Transferring no drop items through tradeskill containers and corpses, duping money in befallen, interrupting casting by opening trades.. I could go on for a while.

If you read these forums the first week of launch, you saw the "masterofpve' posting screenshot after screenshot with visible proof of exploits

So to answer your question, I did personally see these exploits as did my friends, in each of these screenshots.

Get those screenshots, point out what you believe to be an exploit. Maybe we haven't seen them, noticed, or used objective reasoning to determine the cause.

that the entire community commented on. Just because I was not in Misty at the time, or sitting in lower guk a week after launch, does not mean these exploits do not count.

Misty? If you're referring to a halfling which was giving a little too much coin reward for a quest in Rivervale, dude lol. It was used for a few hours till I disabled the npc.

Sorry that i wasn't sitting next to Nagafen on the server first kill, but I can clearly see bats and fire pets holding proccing swords without being feared or AEd in all the screenshots.

I am glad that some of these exploits have been patched and more so are still being fixed, but without punishment to the players who took advantage of these exploits without reporting them, is very disheartening to the players who are working through content properly.

The bugs that have been reported and fixed, you like. Me too. The way that works is, people tell us how to reproduce a bug, and we do, then we can see what's wrong with it.

Now maybe someone can report how pets aren't being ae feared? I spent about 30 minutes testing with different pets, moving around to different areas, charming bats. All of these were feared just fine.

So, is this a rumor? Maybe you saw screenshots of fighting nagafen within the 36 second window of his fears?


What I'm saying is, if the biggest exploit used was a halfling giving a little too much coin, which was negligible, we're in good shape. These cases should be looked at individually, instead of assuming and announcing that they are widespread exploits. I believe that has more of a negative impact than you might imagine.

[Nirgon]

The eye of zomm shit was a troll. They're strat involves snaring a mob, pulling it off the pack, rooting it and clever usages of binding in places and gating.

The wands were an exploit mentioned to be removed.

The money from the halfling shit is likely all used up by now or will be in the not too distant future.

I was on the freak out train until I saw how they pulled mistmoore and tried eye of zomm out every which way myself. Naggy was confirmed to have some kind of problem and he says he's investigated it.


Moral of the story, you gotta realize you got trolled like I did man. They look into shit even if they aren't making a big deal about the investigation like we are about the issue.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Herb9 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At the time SZ came up it was a perfect time to leave RZ. Adell and Kesdian had just united the server under that Ascending Dawn?? banner and the major wars were all over. RZ had already represented well at server wide tourneys and had since lost most of its big names.

Meanwhile on SZ, some of the major clans that had quit like Sinister came back for the launch and found themselves on the same team as Darkenbane, and mega pve clans like Legacy of Steel sent folks to form Ruin, and it was the most epic clash of pve minded players vs pvp minded players EQ has ever seen.

Yeah that whole rally the server against FU/PB etc came just short of failing though. Moral of the story: GM involvement to break up pvp in raid zones (really, really, stupid) and (admittedly) members on our side cheating burned us. Their shit almost didn't work. That war was better than any stories I've heard on SZ. I logged in Coldcut for some pvp and had my own 52 geared up wizard there, nothing was as good as the Velious battles on RZ, but maybe that's just a matter of taste for me.

[PhantomRogue]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Misty? If you're referring to a halfling which was giving a little too much coin reward for a quest in Rivervale, dude lol. It was used for a few hours till I disabled the npc.

The bugs that have been reported and fixed, you like. Me too. The way that works is, people tell us how to reproduce a bug, and we do, then we can see what's wrong with it.

Now maybe someone can report how pets aren't being ae feared? I spent about 30 minutes testing with different pets, moving around to different areas, charming bats. All of these were feared just fine.

What I'm saying is, if the biggest exploit used was a halfling giving a little too much coin, which was negligible, we're in good shape. These cases should be looked at individually, instead of assuming and announcing that they are widespread exploits. I believe that has more of a negative impact than you might imagine.

In that few hours people had gotten full banded mail, Spears/Scimitars from Venors. AND had hundreds to spare. If thats not comparable to duping money in Befallen then I dont know what is.

Bump pets on the Z axis. Should see some 'weird' stuff then. This bug existed for a long time if I remember correctly.

[Nirgon]

These were Fish Bait players who really are no where to be found now :P. And the ones that are still here, I've inspected them and don't see them benefitting from it too much.

Originally Posted by PhantomRogue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bump pets on the Z axis.

Put it in the bug forum area imos, or bump that thread.