Staff - Players - TMO, a Treatise on the Future of the Server

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask the other guilds, and ask the GMs who have had to deal with zero raid drama... the TMO raid suspension was a glimpse of how the raiding scene on this server *could* be.

You're the only guild on the server who can kill top end stuff right now due to raid suspension. If the TMO ban were magically extended 5.5 more months, BDA would be just as hated by the same people who apparently hate TMO for the same reasons.

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every other guild is willing to share and work together and rotate even high priority targets like Trak and VS. We're /randoming on stuff in VP between three different guilds, for crying out loud.

Really? IB, VD, and BDA; you're actually going to count these three guilds as 3 separate guilds? Let's not forget The Black Hand (hello Bische, Nightfall, etc.). This relationship between IB/VD and BDA is reminiscent of the IB/VD one prior to when IB left the server except now I'm not sure which guild is prostituting itself to which guild.

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, nilbog is right... we all have the power to change it. If TMO wants to treat the rest of us this way, then boycott them. Guildleaders... mandate from your guilds a strict refusal to group with them, and their alts, and all the people they have tucked away in Enraptured all sneaky-like. Stop talking to them. Stop buffing them. Stop buying and selling from/to them. Just stop interacting with them all together. When their membership no longer finds it fun to log in for their trinkets and then log out because no one else on the server wants to have anything to do with them, maybe they'll put the appropriate pressure on their leadership, if they're not already doing so in response to the poor-decision making that led to their two week raid-suspension to begin with.

This is all one-sided propaganda. Only the truly ingenuous believes that there can ever be a top end guild—by its true definition—who will be loved by all. TMO is very good to this server, and I believed that long before I ever applied to TMO.

By the way, Iddy, who is tagged Enraptured, is accessed by BDA's Shinko. Apparently, TMO isn't the only guild who tags their alts in other guilds like Enraptured. Who knew.

[Sadad]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're the only guild on the server who can kill top end stuff right now due to raid suspension. If the TMO ban were magically extended 5.5 more months, BDA would be just as hated by the same people who apparently hate TMO for the same reasons.



Really? IB, VD, and BDA; you're actually going to count these three guilds as 3 separate guilds? Let's not forget The Black Hand (hello Bische, Nightfall, etc.). This relationship between IB/VD and BDA is reminiscent of the IB/VD one prior to when IB left the server except now I'm not sure which guild is prostituting itself to which guild.



This is all one-sided propaganda. Only the truly ingenuous believes that there can ever be a top end guild—by its true definition—who will be loved by all. TMO is very good to this server, and I believed that long before I ever applied to TMO.

By the way, Iddy, who is tagged Enraptured, is accessed by BDA's Shinko. Apparently, TMO isn't the only guild who tags their alts in other guilds like Enraptured. Who knew.

Still willfully ignorant, after all these years.

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? IB, VD, and BDA; you're actually going to count these three guilds as 3 separate guilds? Let's not forget The Black Hand (hello Bische, Nightfall, etc.). This relationship between IB/VD and BDA is reminiscent of the IB/VD one prior to when IB left the server except now I'm not sure which guild is prostituting itself to which guild.

We can't just be having fun killing dragons together? I've been on for every one of these open VP things - they've been a blast and everyone has been happy for whoever got the loot that's gone out all completely by /random.

take off your asshole hat and realize that it's a game.

[radditsu]

I have pretty much seen these two weeks as fun for all guilds who wanted to participate.

When was the last time you have seen an open naggy raid?Poopsocked by alts. OR a vox? Same
The only singular guild who has any complaints about "BDA 1 guild on server" is the vocal minority of some sad people who most of them do not even play, and should not be wearing a tag of a "raiding guild". Players in raiding guilds play.


Servers been fun.

I'm prepping on being trained in sky, or leapfrogged, or any other thing they can think of to make BDA miserable. I'm planning on having absolutely no fun raiding for a good long while. But like batman, I can take it.

[Relapse1]

the game is way more enjoyable when you can just raid with your guildmates and have fun without having to worry about fte or whose bringing the next train

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Relapse1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the game is way more enjoyable when you can just raid with your guildmates and have fun without having to worry about fte or whose bringing the next train

<3

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at all the resistance nilbog is giving to the FTE solution which would at least allow potential competition without GM involvement on every contested kill.

Because it's not a fix, it's a gimmick. And it belongs on a Classic EQ server just about as much as instances or Beastlords do.

[radditsu]

On live we had contested kills that happened all the time, for non rotation stuff. Guides decided who got what. The original reason that the variance was put in to change this from happening. Now there are new and bigger problems. Non classic solution causes something non classic to fix the non classic problem due to not having the infrastructure and manpower to do it as classic. /Xibit off

Only solution is to either go back to fully classic (with repops, cause they are classic). Either make it the wild wild west, or try some more non classic fixes.


Yay

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

<3

Rad are you serious? If you think things like poopsocking and one guild killing all raid targets is evil and you are giving <3 to the guy who made that statement, then wow.. just wow... I'm not even sure who is playing who now.

To all the people who got loot I sincerely say grats. I hope in the future you will get a fair shot at all the loot off mobs you take part in downing and not just the items some other guild says you can have.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rad are you serious? If you think things like poopsocking and one guild killing all raid targets is evil and you are giving <3 to the guy who made that statement, then wow.. just wow... I'm not even sure who is playing who now.

To all the people who got loot I sincerely say grats. I hope in the future you will get a fair shot at all the loot off mobs you take part in downing and not just the items some other guild says you can have.

The game is way more enjoyable when you can just raid with your guild and dont have to worry about FTE, rule lawyering and have fun. He may have been saying it with sarcasm. But i say it with truth.