ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

refresh my memory on the Arya changes (minus a few conversations)? the chain was HUGE, i was sad they left it out, but it really doesnt effect the story if u just blow up all the boats. same with halfhand/jon, i feel the end result would be the same.

what did they change about robb besides his new wifes name and back story?

Damn, I keep forgetting about this thread. They changed the entire feel of Arya's story to me. They softened it up drastically for TV and made it like she was just hiding out at any old castle along the road. In the books it was an "if I make the slightest mistake somebody is going to fuck me, cut my throat, and then fuck my new throat hole" kind of place. Completely depraved and unpredictable people all around. She was being beaten on the regular by her taskmaster dude. They took away her kill for the show. There was no feeling that she was in mortal peril the entire time she was there in the show.

I know the chain doesn't make much difference in the outcome, but I loved how it showed his unorthodox brilliance. And yeah, the end is also the same with the Jon/Halfhand sitution, I don't know. It didn't seem like it was given the weight that it should have been. That was a huge moment for Jon.

Now, Robb. Robb, Robb, Robb. The show's version is: Robb meets a spunky little camp healer who don't take no guff from kings. Robb is just overcome with Spunky's dazzling charm and fierce spirit. Then she tells him a horrific story and they bang, cause they's mad in love. Then they get married. This makes Robb a complete and utter dumbass who threw away his only chance of victory for lurve.

In the book: Robb is being cared for in the castle of a minor noble after an injury in battle. When he learns of his brothers being murdered (and his home being destroyed?) he is devastated and takes shelter in the only place available, the arms of the noble's daughter. Afterwards he goes into hardcore Stark mode, and decides that the only honorable thing he can do is marry the girl and deal with the consequences. This makes Robb a complete and utter dumbass who knowingly threw away his only chance of victory to follow his father's code of honor.

They did pretty much the same thing for Cat. She was changed from point of calm stability in a sea of chaos, somebody who thought about the political ramifications of actions and tried to help guide her son, to a wheepy mother who doesn't care about anything but getting her babies back. I know there is that part of Cat that is desperate to get her girls back in the books as well, but it's the only part of her that seemed to make it to the show.

[Eccezan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cat has been on my shit list since day 1 because of how she treats jon snow. poor robb, never lost a battle, but ... and yes i agree, complete and utter dumbass.

i completely forgot how horrible it was for Arya at harrenhall. i agree i felt they didnt emphasize the importance of THAT particular castle, and you are correct on the show you never really feel shes in any danger at all after Tywin shows up.

theres a new season 3 trailor. it looks like Dany might just get her unsullied in season 3
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oh man i cant fucking wait...you guys watch this one? Cast for season 3...the chick who plays misande(sp) is pretty damn hot, but older than I expected her to be!

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[Sirken]

i agree with you that nobody could do a better job than HBO is doing with GOT.

that said, "fucking it up" really depends on your definition of the term. i dont like quite a few things that they've changed (ie: in season one cutting out cat's actual trip to the vale, Neds dreams, and the horse breaking Neds Leg. in Season two they cut a bunch of the night watch shit before they get to craster's keep. Dany should have conquered two cities, horse doesnt die, blood rider doesnt die, dragons dont get stolen, they cut out her visions of Rhaegar, as well as her vision of robb (post-redwedding).

i know those are little things, and im sure they had great reasons for doing what they did. but some of those bothered me because i just didnt see the point. wtf did anyone gain by killing danys silver? there was no reason for the change imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tenlaar]

I have to say, Cat's hatred of Jon always seemed a little weird given her character in the early books. I can understand how the situation would hurt her, but she just didn't seem the kind of person to have a life long hatred of somebody over something they had nothing to do with.

I saw a brief glimpse of Dany standing in front of the rows of troops in another promo, I got all excited. That scene should be pretty awesome to see played out in live action. My girlfriend has a horrible memory for these massively detailed plots, so we're about to start watching seasons one and two again this weekend to get ready for three. I'm sure I'll come across stuff I've forgotten to talk about.

Oh oh, also, I wish they made Tyrion's face closer to the books! I understand not completely removing his nose and upper lip, but they could have gone a LITTLE closer than just a scar.

[Sirken]

and you should check out Game of Thrones when you're not to busy talking shit about the server or its staff [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ardikus]

I think that Jon could very likely be Azor Ahai if a few of these assumptions are true -

1. Azor Ahai is the same thing as the "Prince that was Promised"

2. Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, meaning they were wed and had Jon, making him a Targaryen prince.

If Jon is a Targaryen prince, then it's not a huge leap to make him the "Prince that was Promised" because of the repeated phrase "Promise me, Ned" from Lyanna.

So if R+L=J, and PtwP = AA, then Jon = AA.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by ardikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that Jon could very likely be Azor Ahai if a few of these assumptions are true -

1. Azor Ahai is the same thing as the "Prince that was Promised"

2. Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, meaning they were wed and had Jon, making him a Targaryen prince.

If Jon is a Targaryen prince, then it's not a huge leap to make him the "Prince that was Promised" because of the repeated phrase "Promise me, Ned" from Lyanna.

So if R+L=J, and PtwP = AA, then Jon = AA.

i like where your head is at.
however, i feel the "promise me ned" is in reference to her saying "promise me you'll take care of my son, ned"

Jon could very very easily be the prince that was promised, as well as one of Dany's dragon riders. but it would also give Jon a better claim to the throne than Dany.

that said, remember the story of Azor Azai -

Darkness lay over the world and a hero, Azor Ahai, was chosen to fight against it. To fight the darkness, Azor Ahai needed to forge a hero's sword. He labored for thirty days and thirty nights until it was done. However, when he went to temper it in water, the sword broke. He was not one to give up easily, so he started over. The second time he took fifty days and fifty nights to make the sword, even better than the first. To temper it this time, he captured a lion and drove the sword into its heart, but once more the steel shattered. The third time, with a heavy heart, for he knew before hand what he must do to finish the blade, he worked for a hundred days and nights until it was finished. This time, he called for his wife, Nissa Nissa, and asked her to bare her breast. He drove his sword into her breast, her soul combining with the steel of the sword, creating Lightbringer

who would be jon's Nissa Nissa, if jon was indeed AA? im starting to have a feeling that Stannis is AA, Jon is PtwP, and the 3 dragon riders will be Dany, Jon, Aegon.

4 weeks and 6 hrs from right now my friends [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[ardikus]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

who would be jon's Nissa Nissa, if jon was indeed AA? im starting to have a feeling that Stannis is AA, Jon is PtwP, and the 3 dragon riders will be Dany, Jon, Aegon.

Some think that the Night's Watch is Lightbringer in a metaphorical sense - I am the sword in the darkness - and this being the case, Ygritte is Jon's Nissa Nissa because her death played a vital role in returning Jon to the Night's Watch, and Jon becoming its Lord Commander.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by ardikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some think that the Night's Watch is Lightbringer in a metaphorical sense - I am the sword in the darkness - and this being the case, Ygritte is Jon's Nissa Nissa because her death played a vital role in returning Jon to the Night's Watch, and Jon becoming its Lord Commander.

i am in fact one of those people [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but we know Jon's arrow didnt kill ygritte, so technically, he did not sacrifice her. also she was not the thing he loved the most. if anything, i think Arya would serve as a better nissa nissa to Jon.



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[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Enslaved [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Dragon always has three heads.

I give you your Targaryens: Daenerys, Tyrion, and Jon.

i use to think that exact same thing buddy, and if Aegon dies, my thinking will revert to it.

but let me ask you, when u give those 3 names, is it because u think Aegon will die? or because you do not think Aegon is good enough to dragon ride?

and do u subscribe to the theory that Tyrion is the son of Joanna Lannister and the Mad King Aerys?