Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

called it

Precisely. You are quite perceptive. Video evidence with logs you can cross reference are superior to screenshots from a parser we can't prove is working correctly, since Troxx says it isn't.

He needs to provide better evidence first. But he clearly won't based on his 200+ troll posts. He doesn't want to be the one to admit he is wrong.

He will just keep claiming my data is skewed, because that is easier lol. Unfortunately for him anybody can look at the videos I provided, cross reference them to the logs, and parse the data themselves. My data is undeniable, while his could easily be wrong.

[Troxx]

Indeed you did lol.

[Gloomlord]

Now, I haven't looked at the maths here, but I am intelligent enough to realise:

If a mob is often dying so quick that a nuke won't be worth casting, doesn't it stand to reason that a mage pet completely outclasses both the shaman pet, and everything else he can do?

It's checkmate. Just shut up already, DSM. Troxx didn't even need to post any data, because anyone with common sense can figure this out.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now, I haven't looked at the maths here, but I am intelligent enough to realise:

If a mob is often dying so quick that a nuke won't be worth casting, doesn't it stand to reason that a mage pet completely outclasses both the shaman pet, and everything else he can do?

It's checkmate. Just shut up already, DSM. Troxx didn't even need to post any data, because anyone with common sense can figure this out.

NO COMMON SENSE ALLOWED. PLEASE POST FAULTY DATA AND MATH SO DSM CAN DO MENTAL GYMNASTICS TO PROVE HOW HE'S STILL RIGHT!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now, I haven't looked at the maths here, but I am intelligent enough to realise:

If a mob is often dying so quick that a nuke won't be worth casting, doesn't it stand to reason that a mage pet completely outclasses both the shaman pet, and everything else he can do?

It's checkmate. Just shut up already, DSM. Troxx didn't even need to post any data, because anyone with common sense can figure this out.

If a mob is dying in 5 seconds, that means your group is dealing 1600 DPS (somehow). 48 DPS from a pet isn't going to make any noticeable difference lol. It's a difference of 0.16 seconds. So no, a Mage is literally useless in that situation too.

It's the same issue if you mean mobs are dying in 10 seconds. That means your group is doing 800 DPS, and the difference between 800 DPS and 750 DPS on a mob with 8000 HP is 0.66 seconds.

[Troxx]

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My parse pulled right out of DSMs stupidly long post.

This is one of my favorites for showcasing a lazy mage by the way. It’s a one nuke fight where the mage out-dps’d everyone including the chanter charm. Other epic mage was slow on the draw sending in his pet. I can’t comment on whether he nukes more than once. If he did he beat me but yeah … one nuke fight with a scaled dps of 111 combined mage + pet not counting in DS.

1 825dd nuke, 4 pet procs (lucky string but I’ll take it … though he missed all of his backstab attempts so it evens out) combined damage of 2313 damage (ench pet did 2188).

With 2 charmed and torched enchanter pets this is about how long you can expect a fight to last lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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My parse pulled right out of DSMs stupidly long post.

This is one of my favorites for showcasing a lazy mage by the way. It’s a one nuke fight where the mage out-dps’d everyone including the chanter charm. Other epic mage was slow on the draw sending in his pet. I can’t comment on whether he nukes more than once. If he did he beat me but yeah … one nuke fight with a scaled dps of 111 combined mage + pet not counting in DS.

1 825dd nuke, 4 pet procs (lucky string but I’ll take it) combined damage of 2313 damage (ench pet did 2188).

With 2 charmed and torched enchanter pets this is about how long you can expect a fight to last lol

Again, on a single parse a Shaman can do higher DPS too. This encounter is 21 seconds, so a Shaman could do 2x Ice Strikes and a Winter's Roar in 21 seconds.

That is ((675 x 2) + 263 / 21) = 76 DPS. With pet that is a total of 94 DPS.

The math really isn't hard here. The difference is only 25 DPS in that case, and you are not averaging 4 procs per encounter, so the number is lower on average.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, on a single parse a Shaman can do higher DPS too. This encounter is 21 seconds, so a Shaman could do 2x Ice Strikes and a Winter's Roar in 21 seconds.

That is ((675 x 2) + 263 / 21) = 76 DPS. With pet that is a total of 94 DPS.

The math really isn't hard here. The difference is only 25 DPS in that case, and you are not averaging 4 procs per encounter, so the number is lower on average.

Cool I could have lobbed 3x 825 nukes … except it would have been dead before I could land the third at a 6 second cast cause it would have been dead in under 15 seconds.

825 x 2 divided by 15 = 110dps plus my 56 dps mage is 166 dps.

If it did live 18 seconds that’s 825 x3 divided by 18 = 137.5 dps plus my 56dps pet = 193.5 dps.

See? I can napkin math too!

This is why napkin math sucks. Real gameplay doesn’t work out that way. Can you chain nuke? Yep. But you’re going to run your mana dry or spend more time casting cannibalize and torporing yourself than nuking. Your functional/actual dps will be garbage over the long haul unless there’s a lot of down time. If there’s a lot of down time for you, there would be for the mage as well and downtime favors the mage more than the shaman.

We have already established mages can lay down serious damage if not constrained by mana. Far superior to what a shaman can manage.

This is why we have more or less begged you to get out there in a fast paced group and prove it.

But you won’t.

[Ripqozko]

DSM has basically been saying, no you, for 180 pages.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DSM has basically been saying, no you, for 180 pages.

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Napkin math perfectly matches real life situations at all times right guys? Raise your hand if you've ever been in a group where a shaman has done anywhere near a mage's dps. I'll wait. DSM's hand doesn't count.