To Sirken/Staff - serious discussion

[Edgat]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its simple, with no variance, nihilum load in their 50+ with intentions to down the mobs, at their exact timers. Like Genedin said above, who would even want to load in in the opposition to even attempt with such great numbers. thus, de-moting pvp

dude this was as close to variance as it gets, server came up at an UNANNOUNCED TIME and nihilum fielded 50 people within minutes that is more than we usually get when we know when shit will be up. Opposition fielded 20 after an hour aka 3-4 bosses already down.

The best the opposition has ever done is when they know exactly when something will spawn and can camp out 20 alts at the boss spawn so they have even numbers and can log an alt as soon as their main dies to pvp.

With scheduled times people get lazy and complacent and you get the chance to prep for days ahead of time. You had 8 days of uncontested VP we batphoned everytime we saw a person farming a key piece or trying to get into VP and shut you down even though we couldn't even follow you inside the dungeon we had like 8 corpses (clerics, warriors, bards) pilled up in Skyfire just from batphoning for pvp.

TLDR; you are making the best case against your own arguement.

[Andis]

i disagree

its worth giving it a shot tho

is it not?

[Edgat]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i disagree

its worth giving it a shot tho

is it not?

last night was your shot and it failed

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i disagree

its worth giving it a shot tho

is it not?

Because p99 is like the government. Once something goes in, be it good or bad it stays in...

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why not give it a shot? anything is better than what it is now....

be careful what you wish for

are you personally willing to spend 4 or more days at a time just sitting in a zone tracking a raid mob?

[mikemandella]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying it came up within 12 hrs of when it was supposed to?

+/- 12 hour variance. Why did nihilum get all the targets, and why do you think it will be better when they are tracking 1 or 2 with all of their characters camped at those targets as opposed to every raid mob in Norrath?

I just don't think you're going for the right solution here.

I gotta say I agree with Nilbog/Elderan on this one.. Reality is we were contesting with even #'s There are plenty of newer players coming up in the new Red Dawn/random guilds etc.. Guess what you have to help new people. You even have to help and guild with people you don't like... In business you go out of business if you can't work with others or fix situations that aren't going your way.

The solution isn't to force the staff to add variance or force people to a certain guild or guild caps etc.. It's to make our guild a place more players want to be. We all have to play the hand we are dealt. Nilly is just playing theirs.. it's not good, it's not bad, it's not unfair.. it just is what it is bro.

-Oppressor

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Andis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

? the server was expected to come back at any point, different scenario

with variance, it wont be expected. so those 50 wont be able to log in right away, giving the other guilds a shot at least

Now im convinced you're just trolling.

Originally Posted by Andis

cuz last night server was down for over 20 hours, when we were told 12

You understand what happens when we do variance, right? People still know when the mob is coming, there is just a +/- x hours window for the mob to spawn. The only difference between last night and implemented variance is that you'll have maybe 1-3 mobs in window, as opposed to everything being in window like it was last night.

Variance isn't going to help other guilds get targets. If no one but nihilum got targets last night, there is an entirely different problem going on than what you're describing.

[Bamz4l]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Variance isn't going to help other guilds get targets. If no one but nihilum got targets last night, there is an entirely different problem going on than what you're describing.

plz refer to screenshot where nihilum had half of the server population tagged and in the same zone.

note that this wouldn't be much of a problem on live, but the shitty resist system here prevents any pvp hero from showing his full potential (eg: 6 to 1 ratio)

[BrobbVZ]

Derubael please forgive Andis. This kid definitely has down syndrome, I've been guilded with him, I know his logic, and it is far worse than a teenage girl on her first period.... Seriously, don't ever try to have a logical discussion with this kid.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

andis shown to be a fucking asperger retarded faggot in front of whole box. luv it