Freedom From Atheism Foundation - Page 17

Glenzig · #**161** 05-19-2014, 12:13 PM

Any claim about our origins or purpose is an extraordinary claim. That includes the theory of evolution. There would have to be undeniable proof of the evolutionary process in order for it to be universally accepted as true. There would have to be undeniable evidence that the origins of the universe are as described by evolutionary scientists. There is no such evidence. There will always be those in favor of a anti God theory of life. There always have been. And there will always be those with with a pro God theory of life. There always have been. But one thing that cannot be debated is that everything that exists in the physical universe has to have had a first cause. There is no getting around that.

Whirled · #**162** 05-19-2014, 12:18 PM

Dr. Hans Reinhardt: Some cause must have created all this, but what caused that cause?

Rhuma7 · #**163** 05-19-2014, 12:24 PM

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But one thing that cannot be debated is that everything that exists in the physical universe has to have had a first cause. There is no getting around that.

Unless, well, there *was* such a thing that spontaneously created basic atomic particles.

The problem is you're trying to find out what color a dinosaur was with 65 million old bones except its more of an astronomical number if even infinite, maybe if we had the creation of space in a little fish tank, science would have figured this out a long time ago but well, unfortunately thats not the case.

Throwing your hands up and being "god dunnit!" is a scapegoat for not knowing.

Who created god? Who created the creator of god? Who created the creator of the creator of god? X Infinite.

It's just not the answer. In all probability, we will never know. The laws of physics and how things work are based on gravity and when that is no longer the case, things change, completely.

I've also noticed that there are a lot of people who don't really even know the definition of Atheist vs Agnostic and their trying to debate the existance of god with an Atheist. You're just fucking dumb.

Rhuma7 · #**164** 05-19-2014, 12:26 PM

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65 million year old bones

Daldolma · #**165** 05-19-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenzig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any claim about our origins or purpose is an extraordinary claim. That includes the theory of evolution. There would have to be undeniable proof of the evolutionary process in order for it to be universally accepted as true. There would have to be undeniable evidence that the origins of the universe are as described by evolutionary scientists. There is no such evidence. There will always be those in favor of a anti God theory of life. There always have been. And there will always be those with with a pro God theory of life. There always have been. But one thing that cannot be debated is that everything that exists in the physical universe has to have had a first cause. There is no getting around that.

of course there is. there is getting around everything.

we don't know dick about the origins of the universe or the origins of life. we don't know how time works, either. our entire planet is smaller than a grain of sand in the grand scheme of the universe, which we date to ~14 billion years. we're infinitesimal, and we've been here for an infinitesimal period of time. modern science has existed for what? less than 100 years? lol. we can't rule out anything at all.

we haven't even managed to get humans to the nearest planet. we haven't even discovered every type of life form on our own planet. hell, we don't even know all the details of what our own brains do.

we're ignorant as fuck. believing in a deity is no more absurd than believing anything else. we could all be a part of an elaborate computer simulation. or worse, we could all be a part of a really simple computer simulation.

believe what you want. people who try to convince you otherwise are ignorant of their own ignorance

Glenzig · #**166** 05-19-2014, 12:31 PM

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Unless, well, there *was* such a thing that spontaneously created basic atomic particles.

Throwing your hands up and being "god dunnit!" is a scapegoat for not knowing.

Who created god? Who created the creator of god? Who created the creator of the creator of god? X Infinite.

Yeah that was kind of the point of my post. There has to be a force behind the start of the universe. Its undeniable. You can try to spin it however you want and pretend that saying it was a big bang removes an external force and a first cause, but it doesn't.
Also, why would belief in God lead to a lack of knowledge. You can still learn about anything you want and believe in God. And Atheists and Agnostics say "I don't know, its just how it is, maybe we'll never know" all the time. That doesn't make them any less smart.

Versch · #**167** 05-19-2014, 12:36 PM

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Also, why would belief in God lead to a lack of knowledge.QUOTE]

Because, that is the end for a lot of people. God did it and that is final. Put all your faith in that and never question it.

Religion and science are mutually exclusive realms of thought. One is faith based and one is fact based. The quicker people understand this, the sooner these silly debates will go away.

Shamalam · #**168** 05-19-2014, 12:41 PM

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There has to be a force behind the start of the universe. Its undeniable.

No, there does not HAVE to be a force behind the start of the universe. I'm denying it.

WHAT NOW

Glenzig · #**169** 05-19-2014, 12:49 PM

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No, there does not HAVE to be a force behind the start of the universe. I'm denying it.

WHAT NOW

You'll just have to live with the fact that you're wrong. Other than that. Nothing.

Daldolma · #**170** 05-19-2014, 12:54 PM

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Also, why would belief in God lead to a lack of knowledge.QUOTE]

Because, that is the end for a lot of people. God did it and that is final. Put all your faith in that and never question it.

Religion and science are mutually exclusive realms of thought. One is faith based and one is fact based. The quicker people understand this, the sooner these silly debates will go away.

not really true. a lot of science begins with faith. not many scientists set out to prove a hypothesis they don't believe in. in fact, many of the underlying premises of modern science sound in belief. for example, much of our space program has been influenced by a search for extraterrestrial lifeforms. we have no compelling reason to believe they exist. but many scientists believe they do, and so we hypothesize about everything from what they would look like to what they would want to where we may find them.

you can treat the idea of a supreme deity as a scientific hypothesis, just as much as you can treat extraterrestrial life or the big bang as one. it's just so far removed from anything we can prove that it frustrates the scientific process