The plight of the Kagatob

[Raev]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But all that being said, the amount of women who report (report! many women don't even report rapes) is at least 1 in 4.

You actually believe this, don't you.

[Cecily]

Well you're talking number of women. If a guy is getting raped in prison, that's probably gonna happen during his whole sentence. So you might be right on people who get raped, but number of rapings... Guys might have the edge. It's not a contest. It's just bad period.

[paulgiamatti]

The prison rape argument holds no water. I mean, I'm no lady's man or anything, but all the women I've known have had to deal with rape. It's either been directly committed upon them, or they've had to deal with it indirectly by seeking ways to avoid it or by having to console someone who was raped.

My sister has been raped multiple times. Most of my ex-girlfriends have been raped. I'm not trying to say that the women I know are the norm or anything, but do you guys even try to get to know women at all on any level? To me it seems like this topic, because it's such a rampant and repeated occurrence, is completely unavoidable if you have known any woman beyond the merest, most shallow emotional level.

Saying that prison rape even begins to compare to the culture of rape that every single woman has to deal with whether they were designated female at birth, or transsexual, or transgender is more than just missing the point. It's patently absurd and offensive, and beyond ignorant.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The prison rape argument holds no water. I mean, I'm no lady's man or anything, but all the women I've known have had to deal with rape. It's either been directly committed upon them, or they've had to deal with it indirectly by seeking ways to avoid it or by having to console someone who was raped.

My sister has been raped multiple times. Most of my ex-girlfriends have been raped. I'm not trying to say that the women I know are the norm or anything, but do you guys even try to get to know women at all on any level? To me it seems like this topic, because it's such a rampant and repeated occurrence, is completely unavoidable if you have known any woman beyond the merest, most shallow emotional level.

Saying that prison rape even begins to compare to the culture of rape that every single woman has to deal with whether they were designated female at birth, or transsexual, or transgender is more than just missing the point. It's patently absurd and offensive, and beyond ignorant.

Your sample probably has more to do with the kind of girls you hang out with. Of the half dozen or so women currently in my life at any close level, only one has been raped. Also, having to "deal with it indirectly by seeking to avoid it" is not exactly an action unique to sexual assault. We all take actions to minimize risk of crime in our lives. We put locks on our doors, install security systems, don't drive in certain areas of town at night, etc. Just as a woman wouldn't walk home alone from a bar through a bad part of town, neither would a guy who didn't want to get mugged.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Don't look both ways when crossing the street, you're contributing to murder culture every time you do. Don't teach your kids not to talk to strangers, it contributes to kidnapping culture.

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your sample probably has more to do with the kind of girls you hang out with. Of the half dozen or so women currently in my life at any close level, only one has been raped. Also, having to "deal with it indirectly by seeking to avoid it" is not exactly an action unique to sexual assault. We all take actions to minimize risk of crime in our lives. We put locks on our doors, install security systems, don't drive in certain areas of town at night, etc. Just as a woman wouldn't walk home alone from a bar through a bad part of town, neither would a guy who didn't want to get mugged.

Careful there, you're stepping on a land mine. It's not ok for a man to speak about or for women unless it's strictly from a feminist perspective.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all take actions to minimize risk of crime in our lives. We put locks on our doors, install security systems, don't drive in certain areas of town at night, etc. Just as a woman wouldn't walk home alone from a bar through a bad part of town, neither would a guy who didn't want to get mugged.

The whole idea that rape happens in dark parking lots "in certain areas of town" is a myth. Not a total one (of course some people do get raped by complete strangers in dark alleyways), but the majority of rapes are actually acquaintance rapes. The most common place for a rape to occur is in the home of the victim, and the second most common is in the home of the attacker (who of course the victim didn't realize was a rapist until it was too late).

Try avoiding your own home and the home of anyone you date.

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

0.7% = 1 in 3.
Thank you for illustrating how divorced from reality you are.

Anecdotes and weasel words.

You quoted something about college women, I'm talking about women over the course of their lifetime. Fail.

Originally Posted by KagatobLuvsAnimu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guy gets drunk and has sex he's a rapist.
Girl gets drunk and has sex she's a victim.

If you drunk drive and hit a drunk pedestrian do you get to say "well they were drunk too"? Of course not. Same deal here: no matter how drunk you are, if you have sex with a man or woman who can't give consent (ie. is passed out or otherwise completely incapacitated) you are raping him/her. If he/she's drunk, but able to move around, talk, etc. he/she is capable of giving consent; it is NOT rape if he/she later withdraws consent after the sex, regardless of alcohol.

This isn't my view of the world, this is how the law works (in California and in most if not all other states, though the details vary by state).

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you show where you get this number? Certainly that many aren't being reported to the police, and I'm having a hard time finding where this number comes from.

I learned it back in college when I was a Rape Peer Prevention Educator, and it was based on studies that I can't find now. Instead, here's the best I could come up with in five minutes of Googling. These stats are a little lower than the ones I was taught (1 in 5 or 6 instead of 1 in 3 or 4), but keep in mind however that rape is notoriously under-reported, both because of misinformation about what actually qualifies as rape and because there is a stigma to being raped, so these studies are likely not showing the full picture.

And of course, regardless of whether it's 1 in 3 or 1 in 6, even 1 in 6 is WAY too much.

Rape prevalence among women in the U.S. (the percentage of women who experienced rape at least once in their lifetime so far) is in the range of 15–20%, with different studies disagreeing with each other. (National Violence against Women survey, 1995, found 17.6% prevalence rate;[8] a 2007 national study for the Department of Justice on rape found 18% prevalence rate.[9])

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).1

https://www.rainn.org/get-informatio...ssault-victims

Nearly one in five women surveyed said they had been raped or had experienced an attempted rape at some point, and one in four reported having been beaten by an intimate partner. One in six women have been stalked, according to the report.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/he...ault.html?_r=0

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You quoted something about*college*women, I'm talking about women over the course of their lifetime. Fail.

It lists more than just that... try actually reading next time.

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole idea that rape happens in dark parking lots "in certain areas of town" is a myth. Not a total one (of course some people do get raped by complete strangers in dark alleyways), but the majority of rapes are actually acquaintance rapes. The most common place for a rape to occur is in the home of the victim, and the second most common is in the home of the attacker (who of course the victim didn't realize was a rapist until it was too late).

Just comical and really quite tragic how utterly lost this point is on Kagatob.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, let's stay on your crazy rape statistic. Depending on which study you go by, either 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 American women will either be raped or have someone attempt to rape them at some point in their life. Even if 100% of men in prison got raped (which they don't), 25% of all men are not in prison.

So please, show me where you got this crazy idea that more men get raped than women.

0.7% = 1 in 3.
Thank you for illustrating how divorced from reality you are.

Originally Posted by paulgiamatti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The prison rape argument holds no water. I mean, I'm no lady's man or anything, but all the women I've known have had to deal with rape. It's either been directly committed upon them, or they've had to deal with it indirectly by seeking ways to avoid it or by having to console someone who was raped.

My sister has been raped multiple times. Most of my ex-girlfriends have been raped. I'm not trying to say that the women I know are the norm or anything, but do you guys even try to get to know women at all on any level? To me it seems like this topic, because it's such a rampant and repeated occurrence, is completely unavoidable if you have known any woman beyond the merest, most shallow emotional level.

Saying that prison rape even begins to compare to the culture of rape that every single woman has to deal with whether they were designated female at birth, or transsexual, or transgender is more than just missing the point. It's patently absurd and offensive, and beyond ignorant.

Anecdotes and weasel words.

I'm sorry women have to do things to keep them safer that contributes to this "rape culture" the modern feminists have created. Men do things every day to ensure they aren't killed, where's muh murder culture? Teach people not to murder!

[paulgiamatti]

Kagatob has known approximately zero women.