Necro, how do you not choose Iksar?

[ctre]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're right. still, helps with that learning curve, at the very least. and even if you get to the point where it is "very rare" it helps in those "very rare" circumstances.

Yes you are right for this. When the gods look away and say it is your turn to get your butt kicked necro, and they casually toss you a hand-full of fizzles with a bad FD and 1 mili-second pet break's. That extra AC will contribute to save your life. ( and that is your very rare, the odd time you wish you were an iksar ).
I do remember lying Fd with 10 hp's left, (wanting my hp bar to go up faster).

But it is made up for, (in hs) when you Gnome pre-inspect the picture wall, and duck look out to target your foes.. send pet in wait. plop down.. root and charm a new one when pet dies.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by ctre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only time an Iksar will have an advantage in HS is there AC.

Except that the iksar will still have an advantage in that he loses less HP for the same mana regen. That advantage never goes away, no matter what the situation, ever ever never ever.

Why are there people acting as if losing less HP for the same mana regen as another race is a situational advantage? That is crazy talk. It is always an advantage.

Originally Posted by ctre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All calls about sitting down/dancing/farting..etc doing more damage.. etc is rubbish.. you can only do the same amount of damage, (all necro's get the same dots.. unlike implied).

Originally Posted by ctre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you are 60 and an iksar. You will have a safer, more forgiving necro to play that will make more mana at the end of the day.

These statements are contradictory. If an iksar necro will make more mana at the end of the day then the iksar necro can cast more damage spells at the end of the day.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are there people acting as if losing less HP for the same mana regen as another race is a situational advantage? That is crazy talk. It is always an advantage.

Is it an advantage when you're waiting around for a while and your fight lasts less than a few minutes? There's an example right there where it's not always a practical advantage.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it an advantage when you're waiting around for a while and your fight lasts less than a few minutes? There's an example right there where it's not always a practical advantage.

Yes. The time when it is not an advantage is when you are not doing anything. Good call.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. The time when it is not an advantage is when you are not doing anything. Good call.

A lot of everquest is waiting around. You might be waiting for something to spawn. You might be setting up to kill 1 tough mob. Is this not making use of your Necro?

[Daldaen]

Was messing around in HS the other day, jumped through a door that I thought had 2 undead on the other side with IvU, had a skeleton and goo, skeleton harm touched me and they both started hitting me before I got an FD off at 15%. Because Iksar I was able to regen enough HP up to where I could stand and root/mez them and kill them quicker than a non-Iksar would've done.

Was really nice having the 12 FD Regen vs the 4 other races have. Yea, I could've not blindly jumped through the door but there are times as a Necro where you will get an FD off and need to wait on your regen before you can do anything. In those times regening 3x faster is very handy.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes. The time when it is not an advantage is when you are not doing anything. Good call.

lol. the counter-argument in a nut shell.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was messing around in HS the other day, jumped through a door that I thought had 2 undead on the other side with IvU, had a skeleton and goo, skeleton harm touched me and they both started hitting me before I got an FD off at 15%. Because Iksar I was able to regen enough HP up to where I could stand and root/mez them and kill them quicker than a non-Iksar would've done.

Was really nice having the 12 FD Regen vs the 4 other races have. Yea, I could've not blindly jumped through the door but there are times as a Necro where you will get an FD off and need to wait on your regen before you can do anything. In those times regening 3x faster is very handy.

I think everyone agrees there's perks to HP regen. The argument presented, at least from my end, is that there are a good amount of situations out there where it doesn't make much of a difference.

The people who say there's no situations where it doesn't help I think are flat out wrong. For example, sometimes I pop my necro on, check if there's names up in HS and if they are I kill them then log back out. I don't stick around and clear stuff for hours. Where's the regen advantage if you're doing a bursts? There's lots of other examples as well.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think everyone agrees there's perks to HP regen. The argument presented, at least from my end, is that there are a good amount of situations out there where it doesn't make much of a difference.

The people who say there's no situations where it doesn't help I think are flat out wrong. For example, sometimes I pop my necro on, check if there's names up in HS and if they are I kill them then log back out. I don't stick around and clear stuff for hours. Where's the regen advantage if you're doing a bursts? There's lots of other examples as well.

Well... The advantage is if charm breaks or root breaks early and you get damaged and have to FD. Or if it happens before you've life tapped, which may lead to a situation where an equally geared Iksar wouldn't have died cause he was losing less HP liching.

The main point I think is, when you're creating a Necro you have a variety of options that boil down to 2:

Iksar - Regen which is clearly useful in many situations, but you level slower
Non-Iksar - No Regen so you will eventually have to lifetap more, but you level a bit faster.

If you are interested in plowing through levels and you don't want a penalty you can go non-Iksar, but then at the end game where the regen makes the most difference you won't have it? Doesn't make sense to me to power to the end game if you aren't interested in min/maxing there.

If leveling speed doesn't matter to you, I don't see any reason one would go any race except Iksar other than for fashionquest, and again... 34-60, you won't see your race at all because you will be liching.

[Teppler]

When picking Necro the prospective Necro needs to weigh options. Answering if regen is useful is one question. Then the next question is, how useful is it exactly? Is it useful enough to make you pick Iksar over the other races? The 2nd part is what I'm addressing. As far as I'm concerned, answering question 1 is open and shut but most people seem to be stuck on it.