Awakened 30 day

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is, what more can we be done when:

A. Concede all mobs that we messed up on
B. Do not know CSG elevated the issue to petition
C. Do not control the will of the other guilds competing for Eashen
D. Am not allowed to then pull Eashen ( a mob we conceded ) to help 'make up' for potentially costing them a kill.
E. Am not allowed to then DPS Eashen ( a mob we conceded ) to help 'make up' for potentially costing them a kill.
F. If we offer 2 Feshlak and 2 Eashen, as Culk says, AM will simply kill them how does that help CSG

So nice attempt Endonde :P

Offer them your next rotated fesh, or if fesh isn't rotated pick another mob. Didn't tmo do exactly this for taken one time back in kunark on a vs? Solutions exist you just have to actually try to find them.

I still love you eratani and 30 days is a bit harsh, but it really shouldn't be so hard to play nice with each other

[Baler]

AW and AM treat other guilds like shit in game
AW and AM treat other guilds like shit on the forums.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Probably should have conceded one of your rotated mobs. You trained a guild while killing a target--thats about the most egregious offense that can be made regardless of whether it was a mistake or not.

If you train someone, and don't reach out to them and make a deal to squash the petition, expect to be petitioned. How long has it worked like this now, three years now?

You dont raid Argh, I dont expect you understand how things work. Guilds do not offer things until they are told 'we are going to petition this', its not the other way around. Maybe in some dramatically different situations, people reach out before even told a petition will occur but 99.9999999% of the time when GuildB has a grievance to file with GuildA, its GuildB who lets GuildA know "pay up or else".

Dont let your blind hatred for me bc of FAP blind your bias opinion though Argh, stay classy :P

[Culkasi]

Originally Posted by smitho1984 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have the biggest guild on the server.. combine already and step up. Quit playing this meak "we cant compete mentality", its getting old at this point. Play like you have a set of balls, it's sad they call you a leader.

Its not that we "can't" compete - its that we won't, especially in the current envronment. We just want to be left alone killing a cpl of targets from time to time in a casual EQ setting.
And you should know that its not about 150 warm bodies, its about 10 people willing to dedicate a lot more time to the game than what we can expect across a couple of casual guilds.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Offer them your next rotated fesh, or if fesh isn't rotated pick another mob. Didn't tmo do exactly this for taken one time back in kunark on a vs? Solutions exist you just have to actually try to find them.

I still love you eratani and 30 days is a bit harsh, but it really shouldn't be so hard to play nice with each other

Yes, TMO reached out to us and we worked out a deal.

See a theme?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, TMO reached out to us and we worked out a deal.

See a theme?

Meant to add 'after they saw our fraps' because before that they refused to talk to us.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, TMO reached out to us and we worked out a deal.

See a theme?

Yep the offending guild reached out and made a deal.

[Baler]

From my understanding of the raid scene on p99. You gotta have lawyer quest on speed dial. Can't hate on eu for not wanting to be involved in some maniacal behavior just to get pixels. Speaks good things about their character.

[topgun1027]

Originally Posted by thebutthat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After watching Sirken's last stream, there's no reasoning with him. He wants guilds to crawl through ToV to dragons. So anytime someone isn't doing it that way, and there's any minor or major infraction, there will be a raid ban. Eventually they'll 60 day ban the entire raid scene and it'll be Lord Bob running the show with their open raid nights, everyone will hold hands...and all will be merry. Until sirken gets bored and raid bans them because there alliance name violates the naming policy.

time for new GMs )

[Teako]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, "conceding" doesn't work in a 3+ guild environment. A/A can just concede the next 2-4 of whatever when they screw up because the other guild will accept that with 99.9% certainty they will be killing said mob on the next 2-4 cycles. If Awakened concedes Feshlak, what the fuck does that do for CSG? Tell me the odds of CSG killing even one of the next 2-4 Feshlaks that Aftermath know Awakened has conceded.
No, thats right, I thought so.

I'm not sure what exactly you're wanting in return. Should they give you mobs not relevant to the one in question in turn for wronging you? Are you expecting an entirely different guild to concede it to you as well?

It seems that in this situation you've set it to up to be an unwinnable situation for negotiation. You don't accept concessions because the other guild will kill it because "3 way environment" - but there is no other way forward other than concessions in attempts to work things out with other guilds.

Are you wanting both Aftermath, and Awakened to concede targets to you if one guild does something wrong? What exactly are you wanting as an outcome/solution?