Melee Worthlessness - The Biggest Balance Problem There Is

[NPC]

Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on the target too, mages being limited to fire and magic nukes. I yet have to understand why we don't have a single frost based DD...

Because Wizards were supposed to be the magic damage dealing class and needed something to differentiate themselves from mages. That's why only wizards get Fire, Ice ,and Magic based damage spells and have the lowest resist spells for those types of damage. Does it come close to making up for not having pet? No, mages still have Malo which makes their spells land better anyway, cause that makes sense right?

[Sabin76]

Originally Posted by NPC [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because Wizards were supposed to be the magic damage dealing class and needed something to differentiate themselves from mages. That's why only wizards get Fire, Ice ,and Magic based damage spells and have the lowest resist spells for those types of damage. Does it come close to making up for not having pet? No, mages still have Malo which makes their spells land better anyway, cause that makes sense right?

Not compared to Lures... not by a long shot.

Conceptually, it just doesn't seem fitting that the class who's description revolves around the elements can't cast any spells other than a pet that are #NotFireorMagic.

Back to the topic at hand, I wonder how much better it would feel for melee classes if spell components were much rarer than they currently are (not Kunark+ spell drops, I think those seem to be about right)? Think about it, where a melee class progresses through equipment, a caster progresses through spells. No amount of equipment is going to make a wizard cast Ice Shock any faster or have it hit any harder. But get the mats for Ice Comet and you've now got that potential.

Many key spells for INT casters are gated behind research, but by the end of Vanilla there are only a couple spells that sell for above 1k (mostly because the materials ARE rare drops *cough* Words of WhatInTarnation *cough*), while melee gear is orders of magnitude more expensive.

Or make it the anti-mischief server. Spell drops and components are on specific mobs (or at least specific areas) that then become contested and much more expensive as a result.

Not that we'd ever see this here, but it's an interesting thought experiment to me.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Sabin76 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not compared to Lures... not by a long shot.

Conceptually, it just doesn't seem fitting that the class who's description revolves around the elements can't cast any spells other than a pet that are #NotFireorMagic.

Back to the topic at hand, I wonder how much better it would feel for melee classes if spell components were much rarer than they currently are (not Kunark+ spell drops, I think those seem to be about right)? Think about it, where a melee class progresses through equipment, a caster progresses through spells. No amount of equipment is going to make a wizard cast Ice Shock any faster or have it hit any harder. But get the mats for Ice Comet and you've now got that potential.

Many key spells for INT casters are gated behind research, but by the end of Vanilla there are only a couple spells that sell for above 1k (mostly because the materials ARE rare drops *cough* Words of WhatInTarnation *cough*), while melee gear is orders of magnitude more expensive.

Or make it the anti-mischief server. Spell drops and components are on specific mobs (or at least specific areas) that then become contested and much more expensive as a result.

Not that we'd ever see this here, but it's an interesting thought experiment to me.

One part your missing though is the definition of rare. For example many mage spell components aren’t ultra rare but they are also not easy to get by any means. As the server progresses those components are also harder to find for sale from players as many people think most people who would need them have already leveled past the point where they would and most players also won’t spend the time creating and auctioning a lower level spell because the prices just progressively get cheaper and cheaper as more plat comes into the economy.

So you have a pretty decent lack of supply from player auctions while also having to find some pretty annoying components

[Vaarsuvius]

I fail to see the relation between the 2...
Muzzle of Mardu at 55 or some cold nukes from lvl1-> 60?

that's a very weird alternative �� as if Mages pet needed some more haste on top of BO

[DMN]

It was a joke.

[Vaarsuvius]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was a joke.

Yeah I got that, but when it comes to magicians and EQ devs, I still have a lot of unanswered questions [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] and you may very well be spot on