JBB, is it really that good?

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[Toxigen]

Minor increase in DPS with JBB

vs. 150 STR monks and casual non-twink rogues starting STA over STR

pick one

[unsunghero]

I used to think enc biggest nuke at 650ish dmg was big, until I saw Druids last fire nuke does 1k. Now enchanter nuke feels tiny. Haven’t even looked up wizard’s or mage’s biggest. Already have enough nuke size envy

Whatever JBB does is fooking tiny. Even enchanter’s 650dmg nuke is like a tiny tiny sliver of level 50+ mob’s heath. I’ve had to do like 3 of them to take a 50+ mob from 15% health to dead

[Evia]

the benefit of the jbb isnt how much dmg it does, its that its mana free.
i see what both sides of the coin are saying about the jbb
but as a shaman myself I will never sell mine. i tried doing that once to fund my epic and i just missed having it in a pinch or to just speed burn something or kill lower lvl mobs when farming. I ended up re-buying it and figuring out how to mq the childs tear and still keep it.

its not the best item in the world, and it does have its issues, but a free 283DD is a free 283DD. not too many classes (if any?) can boast that.

[Balladin]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the benefit of the jbb isnt how much dmg it does, its that its mana free.
i see what both sides of the coin are saying about the jbb
but as a shaman myself I will never sell mine. i tried doing that once to fund my epic and i just missed having it in a pinch or to just speed burn something or kill lower lvl mobs when farming. I ended up re-buying it and figuring out how to mq the childs tear and still keep it.

its not the best item in the world, and it does have its issues, but a free 283DD is a free 283DD. not too many classes (if any?) can boast that.

Yeah I know that feeling. You only realize how good it is when you don't have it.

So back to the question: is it really that good? Yes! for 15k-20k it definitely is.
IMO:
Epic>JBB>Pox>Bane

If you can get an Epic,don't bother with a jbb. But remember the Epic spear cost like 100k (if got it ezpz from your guild be appreciative of that ok...ok).
I used to think Bane and pox was better but in practice those spells are really mana-expensive. I'm telling you; recovering your mana (canni-torp) after 4 resist of bane and pox from a maloed mob is a real PIA (you're spell will fizzle alot). So i end up just letting the pet do the dmg, spamming jbb and keep all my mana to re-slow and torp.

But maybe I'm just bad at the doing the shaman stuff.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the benefit of the jbb isnt how much dmg it does, it’s that it’s mana free.

It’s “free” sub 60 but with Torp it’s an opportunity cost. There are other things someone can do with that time. Like make more mana while waiting for dots and torp to run its course.

What people are failing to grasp is that time is a finite resource. Player clicks are often less than robotically perfect. Even if you could script the perfect rotation, which you can’t and it’s not legal anyways, I can’t imagine how you could fit in a JBB with efficiency. Simply look at Bane…it does 6x the damage and is a 3 second quicker cast. Torp heals for approximately 5x the DD of a JBB and is also a second quicker. This is math, not creative writing class…

If someone here can manipulate time and space I hope they are finding something better to do with that super power than sneaking in a 268dd click on an elf sim.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s “free” sub 60 but with Torp it’s an opportunity cost. There are other things someone can do with that time. Like make more mana while waiting for dots and torp to run its course.

What people are failing to grasp is that time is a finite resource. Player clicks are often less than robotically perfect. Even if you could script the perfect rotation, which you can’t and it’s not legal anyways, I can’t imagine how you could fit in a JBB with efficiency. Simply look at Bane…it does 6x the damage and is a 3 second quicker cast. Torp heals for approximately 5x the DD of a JBB and is also a second quicker. This is math, not creative writing class…

If someone here can manipulate time and space I hope they are finding something better to do with that super power than sneaking in a 268dd click on an elf sim.

The concept people are failing to grasp is HP and Mana
are finite. You are assuming you always have the HP/Mana to cannibalize or DoT.

When fighting hard mobs this isn't always the case. You can get damage spiked and then have to wait 3 Torpor ticks to get back to safe levels. If all your DoTs and debuffs are applied, you have nothing to do since you cannot cannibalize. You can JBB in that time with no opportunity cost.

JBB is also not very high on hate generation. In my cliff golem video https://youtu.be/umuVBewCNgY?feature=shared JBB was how I was able to keep my pet on the top of the hate list. If I was spamming Bane/Pox, I would need to face tank the cliff golem. With the changes to poison/disease hate generation this may not be as big of an issue, but this is another use case if you want to have your pet tank.

JBB is also useful at 60 for clearing trash mobs.

There are plenty of uses for it. Please stop telling people JBB isn't good at 60. You simply haven't played a Shaman enough.

I also noticed you haven't done anything with those Ionat logs.

[Evia]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s “free” sub 60 but with Torp it’s an opportunity cost. There are other things someone can do with that time. Like make more mana while waiting for dots and torp to run its course.

What people are failing to grasp is that time is a finite resource. Player clicks are often less than robotically perfect. Even if you could script the perfect rotation, which you can’t and it’s not legal anyways, I can’t imagine how you could fit in a JBB with efficiency. Simply look at Bane…it does 6x the damage and is a 3 second quicker cast. Torp heals for approximately 5x the DD of a JBB and is also a second quicker. This is math, not creative writing class…

If someone here can manipulate time and space I hope they are finding something better to do with that super power than sneaking in a 268dd click on an elf sim.

all the points you're making are not wrong, and make perfect sense in some scenarios
because sometimes using JBB can be a detriment if you should be casting or doing something else. i'd like to think most players can tell when its a good time to click or a bad time. Regardless its never a bad thing to have an extra tool in your toolbelt. Even if you don't use it often.
but with your explanation you fail to consider situations where a bane is overkill, or you don't need to torp or canni, or you cant canni because HP too low. There are so many situations where a free DD, even at 8 seconds, can come in handy and is the right move over something else that will drain your mana.

Some people do over rely on the jbb, or use it in bad situations just being lazy. but to just outright say its worthless or never worth the use just doesnt make sense to me. Gonna have to respectfully disagree on that.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Evia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

all the points you're making are not wrong, and make perfect sense in some scenarios
because sometimes using JBB can be a detriment if you should be casting or doing something else. i'd like to think most players can tell when its a good time to click or a bad time. Regardless its never a bad thing to have an extra tool in your toolbelt. Even if you don't use it often.
but with your explanation you fail to consider situations where a bane is overkill, or you don't need to torp or canni, or you cant canni because HP too low. There are so many situations where a free DD, even at 8 seconds, can come in handy and is the right move over something else that will drain your mana.

Some people do over rely on the jbb, or use it in bad situations just being lazy. but to just outright say its worthless or never worth the use just doesnt make sense to me. Gonna have to respectfully disagree on that.

This is correct. That is a good summary.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Strawman and rage posting? Ok.

I’ve learned killing stuff with slower working dots and less debuffs is elite gaming. Thanks.

More rage posting and strawmanning.

It is clear you aren't trying to have a conversation. You haven't looked at the video/logs I posted for any reason other than to criticize. I have never claimed my playstyle is the absolute best in the game. I am sharing my experience with how hard fights have gone for me in the past. I have concrete evidence showing situations in which you can use JBB at level 60.

Thus far you have provided nothing to back up your position other than insults and proof that you don't read what other people post. I am not sure why you think you are going to convince anyone with these tactics.

[Ripqozko]

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